Wow. PS3 don't play pirated blu ray media. :)

[_zaphod_]

Smeone finally decided to burn those images.

If you try and play a ripped and burnd blue ray,movie the ps3 says it's an invalid disc (as well it should).

If you try and burn one of those games, it says it's a data disc, and lets you browse it, but will not launch the game. GO figure. You can look at the pretty graphics in .png fils. ;)

Best shot at crackign the ps3 i(not that us legitimate developers would ever do such a thing...) is to get a rogue firmware update signed somehow to corrupt the hypervisor.

[b081]

Heh, does anyone really expected to be so easy?

[Den Leiw]

Heh, does anyone really expected to be so easy?

yeah really :) that just would have been teh immediate death of the ps3

[Lachlan]

Someone will probably make a Blu Ray player for Linux on the ps3, that would be escaping the PS3's checking right?

[Illicious]

Someone will probably make a Blu Ray player for Linux on the ps3, that would be escaping the PS3's checking right?


This is exactly what has me confused.

First of all this system is using firmware to update its umm system i guess.
Dont know if game systems that use firmware (never heard of home game consoles using firmware) would need a modchip to bypass its media playing restrictions.

Well, If your running an OS on PS3 then how free will that OS run on the system?

I think it's firmware will directly decide what media will be handled they way it should be no matter the OS installed.
Seems a little strange or confusing to me but i know Sony just cant make it that easy for ripped media.

[barf]

Heh, does anyone really expected to be so easy?No, of course they put some challenges and speedbumps in there...

[Z-Saber]

The key is Linux and firmware, possibly in tandem.

[ridv34]

Someone will probably make a Blu Ray player for Linux on the ps3, that would be escaping the PS3's checking right?

From what I've read it won't be this easy. I've read somewhere, I can't remember where at the moment, that the drive is emulated on linux through a security layer which is probably tied up with the firmware. So, if the PS3 by itself won't do it, the linux won't be able to either if this is true. The key to pulling this off might lie in flashing the firmware with linux in some sort of way, but thats up to the big guns of the scene.

[_zaphod_]

Linux can read the raw data fine. and it's been proven that the graphics aren't encrypted.

And if they were really so stupid as to not encrypt the program data somehow, then we aren't very far off i think. But since the cell processor itself has the hypervisor built in, it's gonna be tricky to deal with. A mod chip can always be made that shows the hypervisor wha it needs to see, but fidning this out is gonna be trcky.

[pcmacro]

I give it a year.

[normal]

I give it three.

[theprofessional]

Someone will probably make a Blu Ray player for Linux on the ps3, that would be escaping the PS3's checking right?

to even release a program in linux requires that it does not clash with trademark or copywright laws. That's why Java and flash does not work in Linux. The moment someone releases some rogue program for the PS3, they get sued and there's no backdoor for them this time. The reason why Linux and region free is there is so that modchips or exploits don't have any say in the courts. They have to do this without utilizing Linux.

[snipersnake]

erm, each day i come here and read bad news.

[Gradius]

You cannot do that at all on PS3 by running Linux. PS3 uses a virtualization machine scheme to allow to Linux to run. :banghead:

Just like vmware on PC. ;)

So the security layer on PS3 will be NEVER disabled like that as you guys would think, your only hope is to wait for some kind of modchip (aka hardware modification), or a hacked firmware (very hard to happen since is scrambled by using better than 128-bit, or even more than 512-bit crypto). :lol:

Gradius :shhh:

[Lachlan]

It feels better to have originals anyway, they're actually worth something if you ever need to sell them.
Copies just ruin the drives, my PS2 after 4 years of copies takes usually 4 boots to get an original going, not cool.

[ITMASTER]

Anyway we need modchip for full hacking this console and it will be till the summer I think.

[snipersnake]

You cannot do that at all on PS3 by running Linux. PS3 uses a virtualization machine scheme to allow to Linux to run. :banghead:

Just like vmware on PC. ;)

So the security layer on PS3 will be NEVER disabled like that as you guys would think, your only hope is to wait for some kind of modchip (aka hardware modification), or a hacked firmware (very hard to happen since is scrambled by using better than 128-bit, or even more than 512-bit crypto). :lol:

Gradius :shhh:

the same was said for PSP. and look at it now. :chinscrat

[Unfinity]

PSP didn't have a hypervisor. Thanks to the hypervisor, it's nearly impossible for any exploit to work.

[gendouhydeist]

well your too outdated u know
http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=44063
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3-hacking-has-begun-217060.php

Originally Posted by PS3News.com
Tonight CJPC had some freetime and decided to install Linux Fedora Core 5 (PPC iSO) along with PS3 Other OS Installer and the kboot from the CELL-Linux-CL_20061110-ADDON.iso file. Once installed, he logged into the shell and dumped the Extended OS Area (which resulted in 4.0 MB (4,194,304 bytes) by using: dd if=/dev/sdb of=/extendedos.img

Next up, CJPC connected his external USB HDD to his PS3 (since he only has a 20GB stock PS3 HDD) and just (6) days after launch proceeded to dump (read "back-up" to $ony) his Madden NFL 07 PS3 Blu-ray Game Disc (the resulting iSO image is only 7.08 GB (7,597,719,552 bytes)) via the following: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/mnt/exthdd/imagename.img

If you happen to own a 60GB PS3, you can use this command instead to dump directly to your PS3's HDD: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/imagename.img

The PS3 Blu-ray Game Discs resemble the PSP file format.
Resistance: Fall Of Man is 17.53GB (18,827,837,440 bytes)

i think modchip wont work because PS3 has an upgradble Firmware so if u do place modchip and then update ur firmware it may damage ur FW chip and also ur Modchip u know

[_zaphod_]

yeah the data can be read. but there's no guarantee the executables are even runnable from those raw dumps. and even if they ARE valid elfs (which would be monumentally stupid) then why haven't they stopped dumping games from liinux owrking with a firmware update yet? they must be very confident in the security of their blu-ray format and their hypervisor.

BUt why should we care? They are giving us enough to work with for now in Linux, and it shoidl be possible to write some accelerated servers based on sending C-G code to the RSX.

[Gradius]

well your too outdated u know

OMG so funny. :crazy:

LOOK at topic and read 1000000x until you get it. :lol:

Gradius

[chalosf]

It feels better to have originals anyway, they're actually worth something if you ever need to sell them.
Copies just ruin the drives, my PS2 after 4 years of copies takes usually 4 boots to get an original going, not cool.

Its not the backups, its sony and there shitty lasers

[wakutan]

Since it (PS3) uses firmware updates and people tend to bypass it no matter what.

Is there a chance we might see bricked PS3's?

[gendouhydeist]

OMG so funny. :crazy:

LOOK at topic and read 1000000x until you get it. :lol:

Gradius

wahaha funny me xD sorry off topic :banghead:

[_zaphod_]

i doubt ps3s wil get bricked. the hypervisor should prevent it.

[FlyingDutchman]

to even release a program in linux requires that it does not clash with trademark or copywright laws. That's why Java and flash does not work in Linux. The moment someone releases some rogue program for the PS3, they get sued and there's no backdoor for them this time. The reason why Linux and region free is there is so that modchips or exploits don't have any say in the courts. They have to do this without utilizing Linux.

sorry, but this is utterly bull&#^$@
maybe you should read up on some general linux and licensing articles/info...

if java and flash wouldn't work in linux... then why can you download it from sun/java and adobe??

as long as you don't want to earn money from cracking the ps3 (which i guess is the main reason to do it though) i don't see any problems. If sony does not know who you are, then how are they supposed to sue you?

:cry:

[FlyingDutchman]

oh well that a dump of the data on a blu-ray disc is possible is no surprise of course..
anyway it's kind of like stupid to think that you could ever run a PS3 game inside Linux...

Even if the hardware support in linux will be ok or even great, I don't expect it to run a PS3 game

[pcmacro]

What do you guys mean by "ps3 bricked"?

[Toma]

'Bricked' means it turned to a paperweight; almost anything that can have its firmware flashed can be rendered utterly useless should the flashing process fail and yes, that includes cars.

[_zaphod_]

well if Sony was spart, the'ed be an emergency firmware recovery method, that will brig back the firmwae originally manufactured ito the thing.

Either that, or the lash process will write a wohle new second copy into flash without overwriting the first, and then the boot process siply boots the latest uncorrupted firmware.

[zabolyx]

well if Sony was spart, the'ed be an emergency firmware recovery method, that will brig back the firmwae originally manufactured ito the thing.

Either that, or the lash process will write a wohle new second copy into flash without overwriting the first, and then the boot process siply boots the latest uncorrupted firmware.

but they didn't even do that for the PSP. that extra 5 cents is just too much to put into a chip.

[snipersnake]

i m still optimistic about this, for me ps3 is man man, man made can never be perfect. its just a matter of time, in this case, hackers ;)

[_zaphod_]

well the ps3 doesn't have the luxury of a battery to make sure i thas power while flashing...

[Gradius]

i m still optimistic about this, for me ps3 is man man, man made can never be perfect. its just a matter of time, in this case, hackers ;)

I agree, but will takes time, my bet is 3 years too. :shhh: