PlayStation 3 opened !

[Gradius]

Here's the bastard thing opened, time to crack it. :lol: :shhh:

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Gradius

[fasman]

Notice the Ps2 HW,guess its not going to emulate Ps2 trough Software,it even has a debug area simular to the Ps2 SCPH-77004 wont be surpriced if current chips (with a updated FW) will be able to play Ps2/psone backups on it.

It would have been nice to have a high res scan of the board though.

[normal]

Are they selling in Brazil already or is that from another site?

[Mike4]

Are they selling in Brazil already or is that from another site?
Japan

[Dr. Cain]

Notice the Ps2 HW,guess its not going to emulate Ps2 trough Software,it even has a debug area simular to the Ps2 SCPH-77004 wont be surpriced if current chips (with a updated FW) will be able to play Ps2/psone backups on it.

It would have been nice to have a high res scan of the board though.


Seems like we still have a bit to go untill we have a "PS2 on a chip" :)

[omega_sc]

They're working on the software emulation. While it is not ready, they decided (had to) to put the EE+GS inside.
http://www.ps3land.com/article-976.php

[ebob]

I want to get one with the EE and GS, rather than software emulation.

Fortunately, I think it'll take even longer for them to perfect that than to fill the shelves (and for me to be able to actually afford one ;) ).

[shimman]

idiot sony loves to control everything & wants to take a bite out of everything that they included the heart of ps2 (ee,gs, rdram, ps1 cpu) on ps3 to prevent anyone to enjoy sharper picture of ps/ps2 games on ps3

maybe, cell wasn't powerful enough to emulate mips cpu & gs in software

anyway, ps3 has cell (powerpc core + 7 active spe), ee+gs, and rsx...what a machine with tons of wastes

[Toma]

Aparrently you have no clue how difficult software emulation is to implement. Why do you think the IBM PC and Mac standards have always been at odds (until recently, anyway)? Let's not forget about Linux either.

[IluvmyPS2]

I don't understand why the PS3 has Backwards Compatibility Issues (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745439p1.html) if it has the ps2 hardware onboard.

[RedRage82]

Seeing that someone managed to attach a 3.5 HDD to the PS3 using an adapter, isn't it possible to hook up the official PS2 HDD to it and play those PS2 HDD-enabled games on the PS3, instead of a 3rd party HDD?

[flamingo24]

I don't understand why the PS3 has Backwards Compatibility Issues (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745439p1.html) if it has the ps2 hardware onboard.

the ps2 chipset in the ps3 has probably been slightly modified to communicate with aspects of the ps3 hardware, although the ps2 has ps1 hardware it had compatibility problems with some ps1 games; even the slimline ps2 (v14+) had problems with some ps2 games because of hardware changes. personally I would prefer hardware opposed to emulation...

Reference:
PlayStation®2 (MODEL SCPH-75001) SOFTWARE COMPATIBILITY ALERT (http://www.us.playstation.com/News/ConsumerAlerts)

[ebob]

Also consider the fact that it doesn't likely have the PS2 bios onboard, among other things. I've not heard any confirmation on the PS3 containing an IOP. Though, I've also not heard that the psx stuff is software-emulated, so my assumption is that there is one?

[fasman]

Seems like we still have a bit to go untill we have a "PS2 on a chip" :)

I meant having a chip to get past the Ps2 and Psone securety on the Ps3 :rolleyes:

[flamingo24]

I've not heard any confirmation on the PS3 containing an IOP. Though, I've also not heard that the psx stuff is software-emulated, so my assumption is that there is one?

I assume the input/output processing is dedicated to ps3 hardware, being sony has proposed removing classic playstation hardware in the future in preference to emulation.

[ebob]

And is then one of the reasons backwards compatibility isn't perfect. Though, that would mean the PSX is software emulation already?

[Illicious]

FFXI for example:

I ran into this:
http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/support/sp_20061111_ps_ps2.html

Are they talking about how the PS3 HDD cannot use as a PS2 HDD but will make modification for some PS2 HDD game including FFXI?

Bablefish link doesnt show so ill post it here and you can go there yourself.

Translation:
PS3 has not loaded former PS or the controller terminal
for PS2. Because of that you cannot connect the controller for
all PS/PS2 which use the controller terminal.
When you enjoy the PS/PS2 standard software with PS3, the
wireless controller (SIXAXIS) you use.
* The wireless controller (SIXAXIS) because vibrating function
is not loaded, it does not correspond to the vibrating function of the
PS/PS2 standard software.
* At the package of the software you can verify the vibrating
functional presence of the PS/PS2 standard software.

PS3 has not loaded former PS or the memory card entry for
PS2. With PS3 the saving data of the game is retained in HDD
which is built in.
As for the saving data which is retained in the PS/PS2 private
memory card making use of the memory card adapter of the difference
sale
It continues by the data moving to HDD of PS3 built-in,
can enjoy.
* At on the browser picture of PS2 the saving data idea contest
copy prohibition the data which is indicated cannot move to HDD of PS3
built-in.

You cannot connect the PS/PS2 private multiple tap.
The wireless controller of PS3 (SIXAXIS) the connection up to 7
is recognized simultaneously.
* At the package of the software you can verify the presence of
multiple tap correspondence of the PS2 standard software.

"In regard to the PS2 standard software corresponding USB
equipment. "
With PS3, assuming, that it was operational with the PS2
standard software, depending upon the USB equipment just, there are
times when it does not operate.
Details verification to each USB equipment manufacturer.
* At the package of the software you can verify the presence of
USB peripheral device correspondence of PS2 standard software
correspondence.

"PlayStation 2" private hard disk drive (EXPANSION BAY
type/outside attaching type) it cannot connect.
It cannot use PS3 built-in HDD as HDD of PS2.
* At the package or the explanation book of the software you can
verify the presence of PS2 private HDD correspondence of the PS2
standard software.<br>
However, in regard to the below-mentioned title, it is operation
schedule with future PS3 system update.

List of games: FINAL FANTASY XI/PlayOnline

PS3 has not loaded the i-Link terminal. It
is not possible to utilize the i-Link communication facility of the
PS2 standard software.
* At the package of the software you can verify the presence of
i-Link communication facility correspondence of the PS2 standard
software.

At the time of PS/PS2 standard software utilization when
you connect with the HDMI cable, voice response is restricted to only
digital 2ch. (In 2006/11/11 point in time)
At the time of the PS/PS3 standard software utilization
which corresponds to Dolby /DTS, when it changes to the mode where
Dolby /DTS is output, with that scene it becomes silent.
When at PS3 you enjoy the Dolby /DTS sound of the PS/PS3
standard software, please utilize the optical digital cable.
Voice response [ setting ] > [ can modify setting with sound
setting ].

End Translation:

[Ex-Cyber]

I don't understand why the PS3 has Backwards Compatibility Issues (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745439p1.html) if it has the ps2 hardware onboard.Just because it has an EE+GS doesn't mean that the system behaves identically to a PS2. In particular various I/O-related elements (final stage of video output, pad/memcard bus, disc access) probably have some differences in timing and behavior that go beyond the minor differences among the various PS2 models.

[helpme]

i believe a combo maybe needed in order to solve the compatibility problems.
Emulation included with the hardware dedication. of course it would prolly need the use of the ps3 hdd for the emulation, due to the negative tendencies that customers prefer to use, as opposed to using a swap method.

[Kernan]

Wow man, that looks like a challenge...

[jason343]

nice wish i had one

[gus]

I think in time they will have the backwards compatibility bugs worked out with firmwire updates. I'm sure the firmwire updates will give them a good bit of controll over the systems in our homes. Backwards compatibility should be a 100% with in a few months.