Magic 3 Switch

[kizmet]

I wanna Make a Switch for my Magic 3 similar to the One for Xbox, Can anyone help me with my project?

[bobthemoule]

Just cut the power wire !

[kizmet]

has this been done befor? is there some sort of diagram i can look at?

[ritchzee]

just run the +5 volt wire to the sx chip/msagic3 through a switch, on= magic on, off = magic off (no +5v)

cheers

rich

[kizmet]

so after the magic boots a game it no longer needs to be on, if i eject during a game can i close the tray and continue to play with no promblem

[midome]

no since you opened the tray the ps2 will recheck for the verification

[kizmet]

Does Messiah 2 allow that?

[Robot]

why would u wanna eject during a game???

[kizmet]

Gameshar, and any thing that makes you switch Cds

[Emanuel]

It is not a good idea to cut off the +5V supply from the Magic3 chip while it is connected because it has protection diodes from each pin to Vcc. So the potential on any pin can't be greater than Vcc+0.7V. If you cut Vcc off, the Magic3 will behave like some sort of short-circuit (well, the data pins will feed current to the Vcc pin).
But you CAN disable the Magic3 chip without interfering with the data lines. You can keep it in RESET. This is done by keeping the MCLR pin (pin 28) to ground rather than Vcc. This way all the pins will be in Hi-Impedance mode. To do this, you have two possibilities:
See attachment

[kizmet]

Great idea

[TazgodX]

think anyone can translate that into english? :)
or even take a real picture of what it looks like when done? :)

[Emanuel]

See below

[Joe Mama]

It would be interesting to see if this actually does the trick. In seeing as to how $ony is coming out with new precautions now regarding online gameplay and modchips. At any rate, I thought the Magic 3 could be "Shut off" (but then again this has yet to be confirmed)
-Me

[exile]

I think only the messiah2 can be shut off. The rumor on the magic 3 was proven false to my knowledge.

Someone post results with kingdom hearts and stuff please.

[snoopdiggy]

hey....anybody try this fix to see if it works for kingdom hearts and FFX?

[kgn3402]

Purpose of 4.7K Resistor to +5V
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The purpose of the 4.7K resistor connected to the +5 volts is to keep the MCLR pin at a logic HIGH.

The switch is then used to short the MCLR pin to GND (logic LOW). The resistor then dissipates the current to GND (rather than just shorting +5V to GND). The resulting current thru the resistor is ~1 milliamp.

The design is sound. I just don't have a system to try it on.

-kev

[Joe Mama]

Is this the same principle that the Xbox mods use for the ones that have the switch on them? If so, this *should* work on the PS2 no swap chips (or any chip for that matter) provided the gauge of wire is kosher and not too long. I am interested to see if this actually will work. Yes it is nice to be able to shut off the M2 BEFORE booting games but this is only good if you plan to boot the original. If you plan to boot your backups and not have the mod detected after boot, you are SOL. Man... this needs to be tested before $ony starts putting out anti-mod online games...
If I could solder I would be the first to guinea pig my console. In fact, I might have to... I have the original Messiah...
-Me

[karia]

so in theory you can turn the magic3 on, it will boot the backup, then you can turn it off? so this can be used for the newer online games or not? sorry if this is a dumb question ^_^

[Joe Mama]

Thats the idea. This might also rectify the KH and GTAVC freezing issue. We shall seeeeeeeeee
-Me

[ckt]

Originally posted by karia
so in theory you can turn the magic3 on, it will boot the backup, then you can turn it off? so this can be used for the newer online games or not? sorry if this is a dumb question ^_^

Anybody care to try it?

[Joe Mama]

Tryin to get someone to test it... (I think I might have someone who can install) Ill Keep looking...
-Me
(Unless someone else has already)

[midome]

if someone sends me a chip i will test it

im ordering a picall soon so i can test it in like two weeks if noone wants to send me one

[ckt]

Originally posted by warpjavier
Ok guys, I was the first to test the SWITCH....

Results:
I boot Kingdom Hearts, then I switch the Magic3 Off and leave the game to plays the intro for 11 times and WORKS PERFECT!!!
Then I turn my PS2 off and set the Magic3 On, Boot Kingdom Hearts and the First time that intro was played..OOOOPPPPPSSSS. IT FREEZEEEEEEEEE..........

Conclution:

IT WORKSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SYSTEM USED: PS2 V5/6, Magic3 Clone from evolution mods.

PS: I will try GTA Vice City tomorrow.

Where did you put the switch at, reset or 5V ?

[TazgodX]

take a picture of the switch plz

[Snoopy007]

Originally posted by warpjavier
Ok guys, I was the first to test the SWITCH....

Results:
I boot Kingdom Hearts, then I switch the Magic3 Off and leave the game to plays the intro for 11 times and WORKS PERFECT!!!
Then I turn my PS2 off and set the Magic3 On, Boot Kingdom Hearts and the First time that intro was played..OOOOPPPPPSSSS. IT FREEZEEEEEEEEE..........

Conclution:

IT WORKSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SYSTEM USED: PS2 V5/6, Magic3 Clone from evolution mods.

PS: I will try GTA Vice City tomorrow.

Did you use Emanuel's zip photo of where the switch should be?

[Joe Mama]

That is tits and a viable solution for those of us who have existing no swap chips that we may have to modify to play online in the future. Cool beans man! Cant wait for the pics!!
-Me

[Future2k]

You dont need any switch.
I tried the USA and Europe Version
Set the PS2 to Standby , boot Kingdom Hearts with 2 Sek Reset and it works 1000 Times :)

Greeting from Germany

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by Future2k
You dont need any switch.
I tried the USA and Europe Version
Set the PS2 to Standby , boot Kingdom Hearts with 2 Sek Reset and it works 1000 Times :)

Greeting from Germany

I can point out alot of people who would beg to differ with you on this one... And the purpose of the switch is not just to disable the chip for paying those games. Its also for the possibility of $ony and their online protection schemes. If they cant see the chip - it doesnt exist...
-Me

[thunder]

After the game boots and load, you can turn off the chip by connecting the "Z" point to +5V by swicth ("Z" on the chip was selected to the +5V to shut off and to "Z" on the board to activated the GS/AR use).

[cujo]

im alittle bit confused on where you are suppsoed to put the resistor on orignal chips would it be the same place as using for clones? if so then can soem1 plz add it into this diagram cuz i understand this 1 mor ethen the homebrew 1 and y are there 2 different diagrams for the switch with the homebrew thxs every1 for your time

[snoopdiggy]

thunder: are you saying, if I just disconnect the Z point on my magic3 chip, it will be the same as turning the mod off after it boots and loads?

[kizmet]

were do i place my switch? i have a switch exactly like the one on the back of the ps2 (got it from a broken psu). can some one post soldering points for the switch?

[drongo22]

The way I read the post is this: in the 'normal position' the Z wire from chip is connected to Z point on the PS2 board , in the 'off position' the connection to Z point on PS2 board is broken and instead a connection to +5v on the PS2 is made.

But I need a switch that has 1 input (z from magic) and 2 outputs (Z point & +5v decided by on/off position) as a normal toggle switch (on/off) only allows me to switch 1 point..

PR

[grumman]

Ok, here's my results. I have fitted a M3 (homebrew)to a brand new V7. As expected the machine froze on the Magic Kingdom intro..... So I fitted the switch and have booted the same disk 12 times with NO problems at all. I assume the problems with the other disks wil have the same results, I only have Magic Kingdom to test. Basicaly once the switch is fitted, you wait for the machine to boot with the switch on (chip on), then when you get to the game intro you put the chip to sleep. Basicaly there is a pin on the SX28 (this is the IC the M3 uses) called the MCLR. If this is held high (+5v) the chip is active, if held low (0V) the chip is kept inactive (asleep). On a M3 this is hard wired to +5v, so you will have to cut the track to the MCLR pin, take this pin to the centre pin of a toggle switch, with the other two pins (LH outer and RH outer) of the switch, one to +5v the other to 0V (ground). IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF WHAT I MEAN, 'DO NOT TRY IT', YOU CAN EASILY DAMAGE YOUR MACHINE, and I won't be held responsible. Whatever you do don't short +5v to ground through your switch. Credits to warpjavier for the picture, it works.

[kizmet]

wich of these switches should i use http://www.radioshack.com/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F010%5F007%5F003%5F000&Page=1 im going to drill a hole on the side of the ps2, whats the best spot to place the switch would any switch work i would like a push button, i have a switch similar to this one
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F010%5F007%5F002%5F000&product%5Fid=275%2D690 but mines has to poles

[MadKaoModding]

bleh... tried the switch and it worked fine for kindom hearts but my dvdr of vice city still freezes... any ideas on how to fix this?

[midome]

vc has issues whether its original or copy

[kizmet]

MadKaoModding, wich diagram did you use for your switch?

[Mod4All]

Yes this switch worked fine i played vice city for like 10 hours with no freezing or skipping.I used this diagram can`t remember who posted it and i used a switch with 4 points that i took out of a broke radio clock (radio shack was closed) didn`t want to take a chance shorting out the 5v and the Gnd.




(update)This is how i did my switch.

[Mod4All]

From the chip to the switch.

[MadKaoModding]

I just used a 3 pin switch with mclr in the middle and power and ground on each side

Mod4All
was yours an original or a burn?

[kizmet]

Originally posted by Mod4All
Yes this switch worked fine i played vice city for like 10 hours with no freezing or skipping.I used this diagram can`t remember who posted it and i used a switch with 4 points that i took out of a broke radio clock (radio shack was closed) didn`t want to take a chance shorting out the 5v and the Gnd.




(update)This is how i did my switch.



can you take a pic? were did you place the switch? what kind did you use?

[Mod4All]

Originally posted by MadKaoModding
I just used a 3 pin switch with mclr in the middle and power and ground on each side

Mod4All
was yours an original or a burn?



I didn`t have any dvd-r or dvd+r so i put it on a sony dvd+rw and it worked fine.I burned it with a sony 500a using record now max.

[kizmet]

so its confirmed that this diagram works, because im going to buy a 3 pole toggle switch and the person who installs my magic 3.1 to drill a hole on the side of the ps2 with the switch sticking out

[grumman]

I thought the 3.1 has a sleep mode anyway, which means it will not need a switch!

[kizmet]

i wanna play backups online the sleep mode works befor you boot so when you chip is in sleep mode you can not boot a back up

[ckt]

Originally posted by kizmet
i wanna play backups online the sleep mode works befor you boot so when you chip is in sleep mode you can not boot a back up

Yes you have to do this unless u playing originals.
Same applied to Messiah 2 when in off mode, backup
cannot be loaded.

[VicViper]

I too am experiencing freezing problems with my DVD backups. Booting original DVD games in PS1 mode certainly works, but not for DVD backups. This switch things seems to be my only hope. Thanks to those of you who shared their knowledge. I will be adding a switch to my magic3/V7 setup soon. Hope it works as good as some have reported!

[Ps2ModUk]

now excuse me for not being bright here, but does itt have to be a 3 pole switch, surely all that is need is a two pin switch with the power(5V) and the mclr on one pin and the GND and MCLR on the other pin, now i am not into electrics in anyway so b4 i try this could somebody verify that this will work or not
ON would have 5V and mclr(or whatever it is) connected and
Off would have mclr and GND connected and i would surmise the easiest place to fit it to the ps2 without hacking a hole in the casing would be to feed the wires through the vents on the front of the ps2 and stick the switch there, as most ppl place the chip above the main chips on the ps2 board
also as an afterthought This is football 2003 locks frequently on the MAGIC3 as well

V5 PS2 PAL 30003r Messiah
V7 PS2 Pal 39003 Magic3

[Gr8_ViruZ]

Originally posted by Guichi
BlaKCat sent me a message stating that he has already been well into editing and fixing the code rev 16 code. he has fixed all issues(he knows about) on v7 units and has stabilized it to help with some noted games. right now he has kingdom hearts and gta vice city running 100%. he said it would be easy to add a sleep function and he may do that also.

Hi GuiChi

when will BlakCat release the code?
you know, it's no use, just talk and no action...
I'm not expecting anything, I just ask about it...

[technote]

just two quick questions before i open up everything...

1) how hard is it to cut the trace? is the trace on top of buttom of the pcb?

2) should i use thicker (than AWG30) wires for 5v and grd on the switch, or doesn't really matter?

Thanks in advance

[RockerNJ]

Originally posted by technote
just two quick questions before i open up everything...

1) how hard is it to cut the trace? is the trace on top of buttom of the pcb?

2) should i use thicker (than AWG30) wires for 5v and grd on the switch, or doesn't really matter?

Thanks in advance

1) The trace was very simple to cut. I just used a small jewelers flathead screwdriver to cut it. Also, it is on top of the pcb.

2) I used 26 AWG wire for mine. Basically, before I put in the switch, I tried fattening up the +5 and Gnd wires, then I tried heatsinking the chip (sandwiching a piece of rubber eraser between the chip and the metal cover) So when I finally put the switch in, I left the heavier gauge wire in place as well as left the eraser in just so the chip wont ever move around.

Here is a pic of my switch installation:

[joemommz]

I installed the switch but stupid me I soldered the wire to +5 instead of the little pad and now I have a black screen with no laser activity. Would this mistake have caused this? I didn't think it would because those two connections have continuity between them. I am using this part http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F010%5F007%5F003%5F000&product%5Fid=275%2D625 as my switch, could this be the culprit as well? I hope I did not fry my ps2... please help

[SniperKilla]

well take it off joemommz!.

i have a 26gauge wire going to ground and 5v, and i used 30awg kynar wire for all 3 connections of my switch, it works perfect, and i found a decent mount point with no drilling.

http://members.verizon.net/~vze4dt3c/switch1.jpg

its very easy to access too causeits right under the reset and eject buttons, just stick your hand under, flip it to the right for on and to the left for off :)

http://members.verizon.net/~vze4dt3c/switch2.jpg

how its routed,

it looks alot cleaner now, i trimmed up the tape, i put the tape there to cover up the back fo the switch and most of the wiring.

the switch is held in place by hot glue, and is a rock solid hold.

[joemommz]

I removed it along with the chip and looks like i have a bridge somewhere cause it booted for a lil while then went back to its non booting self.

[Joe Mama]

No, you used the right switch. Back out of your install and test your PS2 first. Make sure it isnt a bad install.
Was the PS2 chipped before you installed the switch?
-Me

[MackIII]

Would it be to much to ask you or someone else, that has added/performed this mod to an Apple chip to show an illustrated or drawn schematic of how to modify that board? I am still unclear on where this cut run is suppose to be as well as what solders where for the apple chip.

[Joe Mama]

If you can get me a close up shot of the Apple I can show you what track to cut and where to solder/attach your switch.
Its basically the same as the Magic 3. Cut the track running off of your power, solder in wire to the ORIGINAL power pad on the chip, solder the middle prong of the switch to the other end of where the poer track went (on the scenix chip if possible) and solder the last prong of the switch to the GND point of your chip.
Hope this helps
-Me

[Bgnome]

what if there is more than 1 track running off the power feed?

[joemommz]

Joemama (cool name btw),
I removed the chip and it is running fine. The chip was installed correctly and was running backups fine lest kingdom hearts due to the freezes. I don't think I couldve done much damage to the chip because the solder bridge on the magic 3 leads to the +5v anyway so I think the chip is alright but I just gotta watch for the damn shorts. Sheesh for the moment there I thought Lucifer was playing w/ my PS2. If there is any possible reason that you think the chip went to Lucifer instead then please let me know.
Thanks!

[MackIII]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
If you can get me a close up shot of the Apple I can show you what track to cut and where to solder/attach your switch.
Its basically the same as the Magic 3. Cut the track running off of your power, solder in wire to the ORIGINAL power pad on the chip, solder the middle prong of the switch to the other end of where the poer track went (on the scenix chip if possible) and solder the last prong of the switch to the GND point of your chip.
Hope this helps
-Me

Try this

[MackIII]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
If you can get me a close up shot of the Apple I can show you what track to cut and where to solder/attach your switch.
Its basically the same as the Magic 3. Cut the track running off of your power, solder in wire to the ORIGINAL power pad on the chip, solder the middle prong of the switch to the other end of where the poer track went (on the scenix chip if possible) and solder the last prong of the switch to the GND point of your chip.
Hope this helps
-Me

Try this

[kamaleon]

got to thank everyone for all their effort in this switch isue..

i just installed a magic 3.5 into a V7 (my first install on a ps2)

i understand the points to connect to a swtich and its rather simple on the magic 3

how ever on teh 3.5 its a bit more ocmplicated since i dont see were to cut the track.

can anyone help those with the magic 3.5?!?

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by MackIII
Try this


One prong of the switch will go on point '0' (Your ground)
From what it looks like, you will need to cut the track between the pad and via on point '10' (5.5v input) and run the other 2 prongs of the switch to the pad and the via itself. Here is a diagram of what it should look like.

The blue symbolizes where the track should be cut, and the red is your solder points on the ship itself. The only reason you needed to solder to the MCLR on the M3 is because you didnt have any other solid point along track to attach a wire.
Hope this helps bud!
-Me

[kamaleon]

i dont think this help with the magic 3.5

what a nightmare

[Joe Mama]

There is another post here regarding the Magic 3.5 bud. :)

[Joe Mama]

http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=30677#post30677

Here it is... Read RockerNJ's post - he explains it
-Me

[kamaleon]

thanks... :)

[MackIII]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
One prong of the switch will go on point '0' (Your ground)
From what it looks like, you will need to cut the track between the pad and via on point '10' (5.5v input) and run the other 2 prongs of the switch to the pad and the via itself. Here is a diagram of what it should look like.
The blue symbolizes where the track should be cut, and the red is your solder points on the ship itself. Hope this helps bud!
-Me

Are you 100% sure on this?

The only reason you needed to solder to the MCLR on the M3 is because you didn't have any other solid point along track to attach a wire.

Not sure what you meant by this:confused:

[Joe Mama]

An even better idea as posted by Bgnome - Dont cut any track on your chip. Just run the 3 pole switch
1 From the power source on the board, another to the 5v input pad on the chip. and the last one to the GND point on your chip. Effectively doing the same thing without a cut track. (Follow me?) Here is Bgnomes picture (It took a picture to make me say "hmmmm that makes entirely too much fucking sense") He uses an XO-2 but this principle should work with any modchip in seeing as you are grounding the power before it even gets to the chip.
-Me

-Me

[MackIII]

Originally posted by Joe Mama
An even better idea as posted by Bgnome - Dont cut any track on your chip. Just run the 3 pole switch
1 From the power source on the board, another to the 5v input pad on the chip. and the last one to the GND point on your chip. Effectively doing the same thing without a cut track. (Follow me?) Here is Bgnomes picture (It took a picture to make me say "hmmmm that makes entirely too much fucking sense") He uses an XO-2 but this principle should work with any modchip in seeing as you are grounding the power before it even gets to the chip.
-Me

-Me

Well Joe,

Since you didn't include the picture by Bgnome, I took the liberty and did a search for it and found it. As I read further in the thread he has since changed his switch logic........see quote:

Originally posted by Bgnome
ok, ive been talking to EnTiTyZ and he said that i really should wire it directly to the MCLR also.
you could lift the leg off the track and wire the switch to the leg, but that would be trickier than cutting the correct track. but it is one of those last possible options if you still cant find the track.

So now do I go back to your original way and cut that run you specified or something else? I am still unclear on this MCLR stuff:confused:

[Bgnome]

keep reading.. ;)
RockerNJ said he tried my configuration and it didnt work. You need to isolate the MCLR.

i believe i have figured out the track to cut.
but like i said, you could always just lift the pin instead of cutting the track. if you do this, you would need to solder to the leg directly tho.

[RockerNJ]

view my post on this topic in a different thread here:
http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=30917#post30917

[MackIII]

So, Bgnome and RockerNJ

I guess we are still in limbo as to what to do o his shut off chip thing......correct?

[Bgnome]

i say go ahead and cut the track, then test continuity between 5v point, that one via, and pin 28. if you have isolated the MCLR, (pin 28), then go ahead and wire up the switch.
if you havent isolated the MCLR, repair the cut by shorting the via with another one on the 5v track. then lift pin 28 off the pcb and wire that up to the switch.

[MackIII]

Originally posted by Bgnome
i say go ahead and cut the track, then test continuity between 5v point, that one via, and pin 28. if you have isolated the MCLR, (pin 28), then go ahead and wire up the switch.
if you havent isolated the MCLR, repair the cut by shorting the via with another one on the 5v track. then lift pin 28 off the pcb and wire that up to the switch.

Can you illustrate which pin is #28 on Apple chip? Not numbered

[Bgnome]

i did not realize that we were still talking about your apple chip.
im sorry, but the pin#28 refers to the MCLR pin on the Magic 3. I am unsure as to what pin on the apple is the MCLR.

[MackIII]

I though that, that was what you were using or at least the XO chip. Anyway I had the wrong pic up.

[jason63]

Anyone get a 3.5 switch to work?