Major DMS4 EZI issues

[<G>]

All beef against the new DMS team aside, there has been a massive influx of dead consoles since the DMS teams latest product, the DMS4 EZI has been introduced into the retail market.

We have been warning members of the DMS teams "innovative" clip technology for quite a while now. They make it seem as if these clips are completely original, however, we can prove otherwise.

The original clip design was made by the well known group Neoasic (http://www.neoasic.com) almost 3 years ago. Their first clip introduces for the neo4 chip. In time many people had complaints about the clips wreaking all sorts of havok on their consoles even after their installation worked for days, weeks and even months. Issues from just black screens, short circuits and worst case was the pressure forced down on the bios would break its legs rendering the ps2 unrepairable by even a seasoned installer. We are already seeing a huge amount of complaints in its first week of sale alone. Probably the most that any modchip has ever gotten.

If you dont believe me then the proof is in the pudding. All sorts of problems here at ps2-scene and at the DMS very own forums.

http://ps2-scene.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32640
http://ps2-scene.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32900
http://ps2-scene.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32796
http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=29351#29351
http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=29359#29359
http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=14

Harsh lesson learned here. There is nothing like having a seasoned professional do your installs with real wires.

update Feb 13

Unkv (http://ps2-scene.org/forums/member.php?u=48668) has posted some interesting information regarding the true manufacturers of their clip technology. The DMS EZI page claims that the clips were not developed and manufactured in japan as it states on their EZI page. Infact the clips were made in tawain by a company called Vensik Electronics Co. (http://www.vensik.com.tw/) and that the DMS team were warned of the quailty of such clips, more importantly, the DSP clip. Quoted below is a clip of Unkv's post exposing the truth about the true quality of the poorly manufactured clips.

The manufacturers of the clip moldings are none other than Vensik http://www.vensik.com.tw/ . I can say they do some fair work but they were warned of molds and clips with 1.00mm or less spacing. Everything below that was shoot and miss. It comes to no surprise that this is happening. It's the quality or lack thereof that affects this chip. For further technical proof of this one can only sample some of the Vensik work below the 1.00mm spacing.

Sjeep of the DMS team has also attempted to explain some "interesting" yet extremely laughable things about the EZI technology. Much of these hilarious claims were also made about the many failing DMS4 modchips. Read the quote below for one helluva laugh!


We even baked the PS2 in a plastic bag at above 62 degrees to see whether or not the clips could withstand this kind of stress testing. They passed. We also dropped a PS2 from 3 feet in the air onto a tiled floor to see if the DSP and BIOS clips could maintain connection with their target IC's after a shock. We found that the PS2 DVD drive's external housing had broken, but this did not affect the functionality of the console. The DSP and BIOS clips had stayed attached to their targets fully intact and, infact, the console was able to boot software successfully, and all LED's displayed green on the test panel.

Surely, this post by them is aimed at fooling those who clearly do not know any better. Seasoned Vets and installers would clearly know this is simply not the case when it comes to just how sturdy the ps2 actually is.

You can read more of Sjeeps post Here (http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5805)

Dont read this at work, you might get in trouble for laughing too much! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[agee]

goodness...I was just thinking about getting one since it almost sound too good to be true...but I guess the only safe way to mod a ps2 is solder it...almost waste a good 80 bucks...

[N£TM£ÇH]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFT i saw this comming the day it was released. Ive preached for years Clips kits are garbage. Some noobs just dont listen...

[agentboolen]

haha have a look at ownz. Went there a few minutes ago and there was no news about the DMS4. Look now and there is news about a new manual.

update look at the nicely changed date on their thread! :p

[silentace]

damn i didn't even know dms was solderless... shows how much i know... that shit is HUGE why would anyone do that?

[OttawaMods.com]

I agree DMS stuff nowdays is garbage though I do remember back in the day with the DMS3 was the shit lol. Too bad for all those people who waste their money on this sketchy chip.

[messiahfan2003]

Well people are gullible these days and buy POS products like this. I would recommend you send your console off to be modded. At least my chip works and installed right. I highly recommend you do not buy this junk. Just my 2 cents.

[UNE]

Well, proabbly most of the case's here are from people misshandeling the chips or not being very carefull with the installation. Though I might add this would be a great addition to the scene if it was as good as ownz and other sites make it out to be. Give it acouple of years and the technoligy will improve making installations easier and more efficent. Though the ps3 should be comming out in the next year or so.. So who really has a couple more years??

-UNEnergizer

[Fallen]

A lot of the installs I read were noobs applying too much pressure and destroying chips/chip legs. Even if there is a problem with the devices themselves I'm sure it's merely teething issues.

[Arakon]

simply put, these chips were NOT meant to have a cheapo socket slapped on top of them. at 0.2 mm clearance between pins, it's simply insanity to stick a socket on top. and no, it's not simply install issues, the entire design is flawed.. read the DMS forums, people are having to leave out several screws AND the shielding forces down hard on the chip and/or clips. it's bullshit.

[N£TM£ÇH]

yeah and leaving screws out on the shielding was not intended by sony.. when the shielding pressed against the motherboard it adds ground...

[EnTiTy]

cant say i didnt see this coming because i did it was a bad idea to start with full stop too many connections, small pitch on the ic's dont mix either as mentioned id say 25% at best install it correctly without a problem the rest are dead or do damage to the clips making the mod un usable without cutting the wires and hard wiring it not good %'s infact just had a brain wave they should supply customers with wire inserts without the nasty clips for seasoned pro's oh that sounded dirty for some reason lol

[EnTiTy]

yeah and leaving screws out on the shielding was not intended by sony.. when the shielding pressed against the motherboard it adds ground...
im not even going to go there ok i will lol the ps2 has one ground plane when one screw is connected correctly so are the rest of the screw grounds even if not directly connected to the sheilding its basic electrics the main use of the so called sheilding is to hold heat pads in place to stop overheating and rf signals causing havock with the ic's during operation.

[N£TM£ÇH]

go play your xbox

[liknsmak]

that's sad...I was hoping this solderless kit would be a quality product...

[ShadowKnyght]

:))))) hehehe - EnTiTy your not turning into a suporter of that little ownzer who left peoples screws out are you!! ;)

For a shield plate to work effectively I say you would want at least 2 screws one on each side to ensure connection to the ground plane on both ends of the plate - makes for better EMC (less emissions and noise interference)

Also as ya mentioned - better pressure against heat trasnferring pads etc :D

Just think if they only covered one side of your microwave with shielding... and or left gaps - no more kiddies ;)

[fasman]

I just read there lame disclamer,basicly if there lame chip doesnt work or it brakes your ps you are STUFFED.

I useto have respect for dms when they releast DM$3 but now,the are just a bounce of lamers wanting $$$$.

[EnTiTy]

:))))) hehehe - EnTiTy your not turning into a suporter of that little ownzer who left peoples screws out are you!! ;)

For a shield plate to work effectively I say you would want at least 2 screws one on each side to ensure connection to the ground plane on both ends of the plate - makes for better EMC (less emissions and noise interference)

Also as ya mentioned - better pressure against heat trasnferring pads etc :D

Just think if they only covered one side of your microwave with shielding... and or left gaps - no more kiddies ;)

hm dont got a clue where you got that from il remember who my freinds are in future ;)

i was being sarcastic in my last post so seen as i got torid remarks i should reply, a microwave is a different ball game :P its radiation via radio waves

if you want to get picky you should stop using mobile phones seen as you mentioned microwaves aka radiowaves oh and you can forget that sat tv they all do long term damage to the dna aka deoxyribonucleic acid structure in the human body just to use the generic name for dna :P im a qualified radio operator ham for short so know my shit on radio waves they all do damage no matter how small just they have better treatment for cancer these days ;)

back on topic i couldnt give a toss about the ezi trash and its makers its a shit design full stop

and what a remark from netmech very original but you get that from kids ;)
EnTiTy

[EnTiTy]

I just read there lame disclamer,basicly if there lame chip doesnt work or it brakes your ps you are STUFFED.

I useto have respect for dms when they releast DM$3 but now,the are just a bounce of lamers wanting $$$$.
they aint got a leg to stand on with that disclamer who's to say the clip was not faulty in the first place and that caused the damage to the ps2/two ;) its upto them by law to prove you caused the damage and to prove it was not their device remember the customer is always right by law they are anyway until proven different :)

[fasman]

I dont know about the law in UK,but in South Africa the exact oppesite is also true.

You must prove that it was installed correctly.

[zappaz_]

Have any of the people in this thread actually tried an EZI chip themselves, or is everybody just going off a few forum posts made by strangers? I have personally installed 2 EZI lite chips now and have not had any problems yet, the same goes for a few of my friends who have installed them. I have seen a few problems reported by others on the DMS forums though. Seems like a decent product so far but I think the installation is more difficult than they make out and if you do screw something up it can have grave consequences.

[gorim]

its upto them by law to prove you caused the damage and to prove it was not their device remember the customer is always right by law they are anyway until proven different :)

Hmm, dunno where thats law. Certainly, there is a consumer philosophy of "the customer is always right" but that is a sales/marketing philosophy of providing service to demanding/irate customer in a way that keeps them happy and satisfied, though not necessarily always giving in to them.

But there is no law to my knowledge that requires them to prove you caused the damage. It is enough for them to put warnings every which way that states that if you don't do things just right, damage will occur, and your warranty would be voided in any event.

But going back to this specific issue, I wondered myself how reliable this could be given how close the spacing is on the pins of some chips. I flubbed soldering on the fairly wide spacing of a bios chip, no way I could have attempted soldering on the CDVD DSP, and then here comes a clip-on with tolerance requirements that would be so tight that the margin for error in the hands of the inexperienced should be quite high.

[Fallen]

ROTFL, gorim... great sig.

[EnTiTy]

Hmm, dunno where thats law. Certainly, there is a consumer philosophy of "the customer is always right" but that is a sales/marketing philosophy of providing service to demanding/irate customer in a way that keeps them happy and satisfied, though not necessarily always giving in to them.

But there is no law to my knowledge that requires them to prove you caused the damage. It is enough for them to put warnings every which way that states that if you don't do things just right, damage will occur, and your warranty would be voided in any event.

But going back to this specific issue, I wondered myself how reliable this could be given how close the spacing is on the pins of some chips. I flubbed soldering on the fairly wide spacing of a bios chip, no way I could have attempted soldering on the CDVD DSP, and then here comes a clip-on with tolerance requirements that would be so tight that the margin for error in the hands of the inexperienced should be quite high.

depends which side of the world your on, but ive had a problem with a rear screen projection tv when the delivery men dropped it on the way up some steps they tried to say i did the damage and had to prove i did not, how can you prove something like this easy under the consumer protection act it them that have to prove it not you ;) ive been in that situation thats why but it may vary worldwide or come under a different section/name the same stupid delivery men decided to slide the 50inch tv across laminate flaw scraping a track in it with the plastic wrapping took me 6 months to get my money back and ended up with a free tv from the company :)

and listen to what i said ;) a short could appear on a number of wires being there fault not yours replace my ps2 dms guys they would have to prove you made the short how can they say you soldered it remember its a no solder mod the machineing is done in the factory so its the factorys fault at the end of the day if the device is faulty and it causes damage they are liable no matter what the disclamer says it is NOT your fault they cant say your taking a risk installing if so they are admitting liability that it could break your console ive had a few runnings with certain laws if theirs a will theirs a way .
EnTiTy

[gorim]

Well Entity, it may be in the UK people are not allowed and expected to take responsibility for their own actions, it must always be someone else's fault if someone screws up an install. :) Ok, this isn't a fair thing for me to say, I am sure there are enough annoying situations like the one that happened to you, and the right party should compensate, but to pre-judge in advance who is required to be at fault in an unprovable situation sounds to me just as unreasonable.

Having said that, for your examples, with respect to the USA
1. If a delivery person drops a TV or scratches your floor, its an insurance issue, whether the homeowner's insurance, the deliverers insurance, or the paid shipping insurance.

2. If there is a fault with the product, its a warranty issue, if one exists, or where the law requires warranty. Law usually doesn't require warranty.

3. If the company gives suitable warnings, and its a non-provable situation, tough luck baby - one knew what they were getting into.

Another example: I am one of those who killed my PSP by downloading the broken firmware from Sony to it. I knew in advance it killed someone elses, I knew in advance that any firmware update of unknown quality can destroy any product, but it was an experiment and I accepted the risk and proceeded.

I killed my PSP. It is not Sony's fault, even though they put the firmware on their servers for their own internal purposes and someone was able to locate it is from the web in a non-obvious but legal way. I ended up with a brick and only have myself to blame.

Same with the DMS EZ. One takes their risks, one sleeps in the bed they make. If one don't know in advance that any mod can kill their PS2, or one can kill their PS2 in the process of installing it (not just the EZ, but any mod), then they are too naive for their own good.

That isn't to say that DMS wouldn't deserve crap if their product results in a higher proportion of failed systems compared to others. The damage to their name and reputation will be the punishment. Would you or your friends buy from them again ?
Probably not. Are they at fault ? Maybe, but its just as likely one sucks at what they just tried to do. If one can't prove someone else is to blame, no matter how hard it hurts, one should take responsibility for themselves.

And the rest of us will show sympathy and compassion. :)

[red_icculus]

I watched one of these not work last night. I am taking a break from putting a crystal chip into said console.

[Rattle]

The big problem with ALL solderless solutions is that often they cost more then their need-to-solder compititors and for the extra amount of money you could get a solder-chip installed properly instead :D

[Unfinity]

I'd like some of this aforementioned pudding, with or without proof. :D

[Agent21KGB]

I do feel sorry for all the poor bastards that once again trusted the hype of the DMS Team, I treat my ps2's very well and would hate to see on of them die. Sometimes folk you have to read real peoples reports and not the "We're the best cause our buggy chips cost the most" ads. I stand frim behind Team Matrix, China Magic, and of course out own ICE Team. They make damn fine solid chips. I too saw this outcome a MILE away when dms decided to take on the might clip kit that (a certain site to generate hits) immediately a blindly as usually backed. Did no one bother to read about the old magic 3.1 clip kits? What did these people think magically changed between then and now, physics?

[shepd]

All those problems in their forums and they have only sold 1 thousand of the clips. :wow:

http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5736&sid=c07d6eba3bd75e19759c446765dfd27a

[gameplaya376]

wait till the pro model comes out , that chip will not work half the time even if you solder it in .

[EntwinedWS]

I wanted to believe a GOOD solderless solution was possible but I also had major doubts when this was announced. Its not so much about it working or not working properly, but the first thought that entered my mind was if people can destroy their PS2's installing a fliptop..how the hell can they attach BIOS or DSP clips properly? Its a waste of money to buy the solderless DMS4 when you can get a chip installed by a pro for not too much more than the cost of the DMS4 EZI and guess what? No worries about breaking legs on the motherboard, or crushing anything, no issues with improper ground points causing problems (Unless its a DMS3v2 in a V4 PS2 :p ), just pop the disc in and play.

The whole clipkit idea was a bad one when NeoAsic made theirs, and it is still a bad idea now, even if manufactured and designed by someone else. I questioned it here and on DMS forum, and you know what? The doubters were right again. I told people not to pre-order this, wait and see how it is, see if there are a lot of problems and sure enough DMS4EZI is garbage.

[Da Brass]

LOL.....right back in the DMS teams face. Frick....serves em right! We've said from Day 1 that thing was going to be a problem and a POS.

Serves em right! :cheers:

BTW....Z....where's the news of this "Revolutionary Product's" Flaw? :lol:

[EnTiTy]

LOL.....right back in the DMS teams face. Frick....serves em right! We've said from Day 1 that thing was going to be a problem and a POS.

Serves em right! :cheers:

BTW....Z....where's the news of this "Revolutionary Product's" Flaw? :lol:

the thing that worrys me brass people are still going to buy them that's scary even if you show a products flaws you will still get a few people who prolly read this and say it cant be that bad and buy one ive never installed one and by law cant now but if mods were still legal in the uk id avoid it because all it is, is a bunch of test clips which have been out years and are known to be hard to keep a constant connection these test clips are used for programming or reading different chip packages an example her http://www.emulation.com/catalog/off-the-shelf_solutions/emulator_tools/emulator_adapters/smt_dip_to_tsop/
NOTICE THE MENTION prototyping
thats all they are good for hardware dev but for a consumer product they dont have no place they can be dislodged too easy.
another example http://www.emulation.com/catalog/off-the-shelf_solutions/debugging_accessories/test_clips/tsop_test_clips/
i rest my case your honour :)
EnTiTy

[tjtownz]

Steller Idea, Piss Poor product.

[thetieger]

another sweet sweet product from team DMS :ups: :)

-Thetieger

[shepd]

EnTiTy, those prices are insane! $300 - $500 for clips? Man, those things had better hold on tight for that cash! You can buy a reseatable ZIF adapter for TSOP chips WAY cheaper. :-D

[Unfinity]

it's all about markets, my friend. emulation.com provides products for R&D companies, not consumers. R&D equiptment is always expensive, but there's usually a reason for that. their equiptment isn't mass-produced so the manufacturing costs are much higher than say a cheap asian-made DSP clip which fries your DSP. ;)

[<G>]

did anyone see FilterX's fake little post at the dms forums yet?
http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=29956&highlight=#29956

Its funny. Almost every single complaint is on his forums yet now im being attacked by some fake member he created(HAHA look at his location, Miami! :lol:)

Its like i said before, the proof is in the puddin, its on his own forums with dead consoles and dissatisfied customers. Besides our beef with DMS, we warned customers about the clips way before they released it. we were right

To Nick

I dont even need to bother bashing your Garbage chip anymore nick. You are doing a wonderful job ruining your own reputation by stealing code from others and releasing sub-par chips that fry peoples consoles. Im done with exposing you for the little worm you are. Your doing a great job of keeping that reign for yourself.

Concerning other chips. Lets face it, the two most popular chips are infinity and Crystal. I quite frankly dont give a damn about any mod group including crystal. But you nick, you are the worst of all group lamers and now people dont need to hear what i have to say about you, they can see it for themselves in your non working products.

[Brooks]

Wish I would have been registered at these forums before ps2ownz and dms then maybe I would've known aout these problems sooner. :(
I did notice that this forum isn't very receptive to DMS owners. In cases like mine I was recomended the chip by someone else, I just didn't know any better. :(

[<G>]

I did notice that this forum isn't very receptive to DMS owners. In cases like mine I was recomended the chip by someone else, I just didn't know any better. :(

You are half right, i feel your pain when it comes to having your console fried by that bum chip and yes we do allow all sorts of other talk regarding other modchips but we also took a heavy loss when sjeep walked off with some of our own code eventually ending up in hdloader and toxicOS. We are a not for profit group and we do not sell or services or endorsements to anyone. Lots of us staffers have modchips including DMS mods yet we take the area of endorsements very carefully.

They however have a job to do when it comes to offering better support for their product. This as of right now isnt happening. There are tons of complaints about not only the EZI but also the regular wired DMS4 but all they can do is blame it on the persons installation instead of taking the blame. They also do not offer refunds or exchanges for faulty chips.

Basically people pay up their hard earned money to install something into their consoles that will ruin them. I dont see this as being any different than to pay someone to cut off one of your fingers.

[Sleestak]

But the new ToxicBIOS has manual y-fix for PAL<>NTSC games. How cool is that? Very original. CC had this first! :rolleyes:

[Unfinity]

shhh, CC is just "wannabe LaunchElf"! :lol:

[EnTiTy]

did anyone see FilterX's fake little post at the dms forums yet?
http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=29956&highlight=#29956

Its funny. Almost every single complaint is on his forums yet now im being attacked by some fake member he created(HAHA look at his location, Miami! :lol:)

Its like i said before, the proof is in the puddin, its on his own forums with dead consoles and dissatisfied customers. Besides our beef with DMS, we warned customers about the clips way before they released it. we were right

To Nick

I dont even need to bother bashing your Garbage chip anymore nick. You are doing a wonderful job ruining your own reputation by stealing code from others and releasing sub-par chips that fry peoples consoles. Im done with exposing you for the little worm you are. Your doing a great job of keeping that reign for yourself.

Concerning other chips. Lets face it, the two most popular chips are infinity and Crystal. I quite frankly dont give a damn about any mod group [b]including crystal[b]. But you nick, you are the worst of all group lamers and now people dont need to hear what i have to say about you, they can see it for themselves in your non working products.
what makes me laugh is the mention of dms3 and a compare to the dms4 it was coded by a different party we all know that well some of us ;) imho the dms name shouldnt even be used on the ezi its not a true dms product its a clone :lol: and to add insult to injury he says pro modders what does he think we are noobs lol we have some seroius hardware specialist's in this forum i have honest reasons why i wouldnt use this product its already a failed design from the 80's, and the biggest reason becuse a pro modder i dont have a problem with the dms group or its makers just this chip design is horrid and the only reason im stating not just to bolster myself with G i couldnt give a shit about him tbh i have respect for the guy and thats it i dont believe everything he says, and he does NOT control the members opinion unless he got some mind control shit going on lol
EnTiTy

[agentboolen]

Sjeep is the biggest coward I've ever seen. He doesn't even have the balls to post that stuff with his own name.

If the Crystal is a VW bug then the DMS4 is a Datsun! :lol:

[Unfinity]

what exactly is the point of getting a solderless mod if you need to have a professional installer do the installation? I sure wouldn't care to pay alot of extra money just so the installer has less work.. Everything about this thing sounds so stupid...

[gameplaya376]

amen .

[messiahfan2003]

what exactly is the point of getting a solderless mod if you need to have a professional installer do the installation? I sure wouldn't care to pay alot of extra money just so the installer has less work.. Everything about this thing sounds so stupid...

Well put.

[EnTiTy]

what exactly is the point of getting a solderless mod if you need to have a professional installer do the installation? I sure wouldn't care to pay alot of extra money just so the installer has less work.. Everything about this thing sounds so stupid...
he he he exactly ;) simple does not always work ask thomas edison took 100 protos before the light bulb lit the dmsezi blows just like edisons first 99 bulbs.

their is a saying but i cant recall it, "something so simple looks like too much hardwork" along those lines anyway
EnTiTy

[unkv]

I can't help but to post some juicy tidbits in this one. I hate DMS for other reasons though, mostly because of how max luarn has treated people lately. He knows the DMS is a below average modchip and he uses threats in order to force people into buying it.

The manufacturers of the clip moldings are none other than Vensik http://www.vensik.com.tw/ . I can say they do some fair work but they were warned of molds and clips with 1.00mm or less spacing. Everything below that was shoot and miss. It comes to no surprise that this is happening. It's the quality or lack thereof that affects this chip. For further technical proof of this one can only sample some of the Vensik work below the 1.00mm spacing.

[gee-man]

I use probes at work similar to the EZI's, for probing 0.5mm chips with a logic analyzer. Agilent sells these things for close to $1K... on the other hand, the DMS crew sell these things combined with cables, a test board full of LEDs, etc.., for what? $10-20 more compared to a solder chip? Obviously, the clips are cheap! If the EZI cost something like $50 more, i'd probably be more content with the quality of the parts.

To do things properly, you can't beat solder. If you want "easy", use swap magic or something...

[mkd2018]

please don't ban me ps2-scene... but i think that this problem with the EZI is with those installing it, mine has had no problems, boots backups, and everything. I don't know what the percentage of users is that are having this problem, but not everyone is.

[<G>]

please don't ban me ps2-scene... but i think that this problem with the EZI is with those installing it, mine has had no problems, boots backups, and everything. I don't know what the percentage of users is that are having this problem, but not everyone is.


ban you? Are you nuts, your one of the few lucky ones that actually has a working EZI!

[EnTiTy]

please don't ban me ps2-scene... but i think that this problem with the EZI is with those installing it, mine has had no problems, boots backups, and everything. I don't know what the percentage of users is that are having this problem, but not everyone is.
ok wait six months down the road when the oils on your fingers from installing the device starts to oxidise the clip connections causing on off shorts not saying this will happen it might not to you but another problem with such a device that connects 2 peices of metal together without a electrical bond such as solder.

im saying these things based on experience in this feild and can see the protential problems present and near future that this device is going to cause if it was soldered it would be fine but it really is a bad idea.
EnTiTy

[gee-man]

ok wait six months down the road when the oils on your fingers from installing the device starts to oxidise the clip connections causing on off shorts not saying this will happen it might not to you but another problem with such a device that connects 2 peices of metal together without a electrical bond such as solder.

im saying these things based on experience in this feild and can see the protential problems present and near future that this device is going to cause if it was soldered it would be fine but it really is a bad idea.
EnTiTy
of course! just like all those other metal-on-metal-without-solder connections around your house that people's fingers touch, that need to be replaced every 6 months. You know, like power plugs on everything you own that plugs into a wall, the wire/screw connections on every outlet/switch/electrical panel in your house, stereo audio plugs, etc. I hope you've replaced all of these at least twice this year ;)

[agentboolen]

Wow check out the hella fanboys in the thread over there. Those idiots try to place the blame on FilterX's blunders on ps2-scene. Could they get any dumber?

[xiaNaix]

Eh, it's all bullshit. Most of those posts are probably made by the same person anyway. :lol: For the record, most of the posts that were moved to the lamerz section were sent there by me so unbunch your panties.

It pisses me off, though, that they keep trying to pin G down as "pushing" the Crystal Chip and trying to make it look like there is some sort of "bias." I think if you actually read the posts here you'll find that the Matrix Infinity is recommended as well as the Crystal. This site has always recommended whatever current mod has the best features and proven track record. Unfortunately, the DMS products are currently not that product. Apparently, some people just can't deal with that. :rolleyes:

[EntwinedWS]

What bothers me the most is whoever the hell it is posting there acting like anyone who comes here is a sheep who follows the Admin's beliefs and thoughts or gets banned. I like my DMS3 V2, but I would not put a DMS4 Lite, Pro or EZI into my PS2. They seem to think associating with these forums = you hate DMS and all of their products and that isn't the case. People always seem to neglect to mention how the DMS3 was recommended here for a while..I guess that would make this site seem unbiased and kill their argument that this site is basically being used to push Crystal Chips. The funniest part of the whole Crystal Chip thing is..I see more Matrix Infinity recommendations then recommendations for the Crystal Chip, in forums and on IRC. I guess some people are :crazy:

[EnTiTy]

of course! just like all those other metal-on-metal-without-solder connections around your house that people's fingers touch, that need to be replaced every 6 months. You know, like power plugs on everything you own that plugs into a wall, the wire/screw connections on every outlet/switch/electrical panel in your house, stereo audio plugs, etc. I hope you've replaced all of these at least twice this year ;)lol wise up your talking spring loaded connections in plug sockets that are self cleaing because of friction wise up :P the clip is a static device that can notice i said can have oxidised build up, screw connections another duh you turn a screw it removes surface residue. and the reason you not suppose to use hot glue on a wire install it becomes acidic after time causing corrostion of the points flux another fave of mine if not cleaned up after an install for being corrosive and yes i do service all my own appliances every year for a reason its law in this country to do so for safety reasons and guess what the things above that you and are being sarcastic over do happen :P what about a bad earth a major cause for fire ever use slide switch amplifier the reason they crack and pop his etc when using them is because of this grease and dirt build up from contact and a reason most sets use protentiometers now its all down to the electrical safety i will post an example on metal on metal oxidisation i do tattoo's and the coils of the gun that the electric flows through from the knocker a screw basicly to the armature bar a flat plate gets corroded as electricty because of natrual oils from the skin is applied and the max voltage on a tattoo gun is 5v for outline 15v for colouring it actually burns into the bar because of the corrosion oil in whatever form is corrosive when electricity is applied but it all depends on the metals used copper is the worst gold plated still gets oxidised but does not break down and the reason most prefer gold plated audio video leads less oxidisation and an brilliant signal carrier
http://www.edpsciences.org/articles/jp3/pdf/1995/11/jp3v5p1707.pdf
a nice article oxygen also on indirect contact electronics cause's oxydisation on non solid state electronics some companys are considering converting to polymer based connections and stop using solder alltogether because of oxides from human contact and air.

why do you think plubming in yours mine and everybodys house is bonded to earth because of calcification another form of oxide and of course if the pipes become live even copper pipes are being replaced with pushfit plastic in new houses to combat this.
EnTiTy

[matanza]

I'm sorry guys, but why you have something against dms? We all know that people that post in forums are NORMALLY the ones have problems with products.Thousands of EZI chips have been dispatched, and yet a small number of people complain about it. They don't mention that their ps2 had a soldered chip before or something like that, or that they didn't read the installation manual completely, they just mention: "My ps2 is broken when I installed EZI chip!".
As far as I know, putting a chip(soldered) to a ps2 is a potential risk of breaking the machine, it doesn't matter how professional you are or how many hundred ps2 you have modded in the past.
I have to say that what DMS have done is something unbelievable for the ps2 scene, wether you like it or not.

I hope you don't ban me as I have a different opinion than you guys. After all, forums are supposed to be for that, to discuss differente opinions...

[EnTiTy]

I'm sorry guys, but why you have something against dms? We all know that people that post in forums are NORMALLY the ones have problems with products.Thousands of EZI chips have been dispatched, and yet a small number of people complain about it. They don't mention that their ps2 had a soldered chip before or something like that, or that they didn't read the installation manual completely, they just mention: "My ps2 is broken when I installed EZI chip!".
As far as I know, putting a chip(soldered) to a ps2 is a potential risk of breaking the machine, it doesn't matter how professional you are or how many hundred ps2 you have modded in the past.
I have to say that what DMS have done is something unbelievable for the ps2 scene, wether you like it or not.

I hope you don't ban me as I have a different opinion than you guys. After all, forums are supposed to be for that, to discuss differente opinions...
people are not against the dms well some are but that aint going to come as a shock is it :rolleyes:
im posting as a pro installer and i repair general electronics day in dayout not just the ps2 and can see the flaws of this device constant pressure is needed on all 4 corners of the clip to keep connection if one screw on the chasis is not tight enough it WILL become disslodged and cause problems but thats down to the user to make sure he installs it correctly im not saying its going to render the ps2 dead unless power to ground is shorted another factor is heat covering the dsp hinders heat being disipated from the ic and if the mounts holding the clip pins are plastic heat warps plastic and the dsp is known to get warm and over a period of time as this happens shorts will occur because of the pitch/distance between leds on the is with solder this is not a problem because it takes considerable heat to melt solder unless its low melt solder which can melt at normal room temp until a chemical is added to solidify the low melt component of the solder as mentioned it's only been out a week im waiting for the month 6 month mark when the real problems start the above is all down to the grade of plastic used also btw i used to work with pressure molded plastic poly pro was the plastic a form of abs plastic which is hella strong if the above plastic is used it can be ruled out that shit wont warp for love nor money and there are different grades of poly pro the production cost of the ezi must have been quite high the molds for the clip if it is plastic, could be fibre glass based like some pcb's but i dont have one to examine so could not say etc then production but the design has loads of flaws .
EnTiTy

[<G>]

I'm sorry guys, but why you have something against dms? We all know that people that post in forums are NORMALLY the ones have problems with products.Thousands of EZI chips have been dispatched, and yet a small number of people complain about it. They don't mention that their ps2 had a soldered chip before or something like that, or that they didn't read the installation manual completely, they just mention: "My ps2 is broken when I installed EZI chip!".
As far as I know, putting a chip(soldered) to a ps2 is a potential risk of breaking the machine, it doesn't matter how professional you are or how many hundred ps2 you have modded in the past.
I have to say that what DMS have done is something unbelievable for the ps2 scene, wether you like it or not.

I hope you don't ban me as I have a different opinion than you guys. After all, forums are supposed to be for that, to discuss differente opinions...


If you call that a small amount of complaints then something is definetely wrong with your eyes. The proof is right there on their own page. I think your listening in to Sjeeps claims that this is somehow my problem that his chip is killing ps2 consoles. Open your eyes and get that fanboyist attidude out of your head.

[EnTiTy]

If you call that a small amount of complaints then something is definetely wrong with your eyes. The proof is right there on their own page. I think your listening in to Sjeeps claims that this is somehow my problem that his chip is killing ps2 consoles. Open your eyes and get that fanboyist attidude out of your head.

speaking about fanboys thats the problem and the reason for so much biased information i can honestly say im not one bit biased ive tested most chips and had my console blown by the f14 if people remember but still went ahead and tested another sample and reviewed it unbiased even tho i had a major proble with the first sample being a console killer it was also mentioned about this in my review.
EnTiTy

[<G>]

speaking about fanboys thats the problem and the reason for so much biased information i can honestly say im not one bit biased ive tested most chips and had my console blown by the f14 if people remember but still went ahead and tested another sample and reviewed it unbiased even tho i had a major proble with the first sample being a console killer it was also mentioned about this in my review.
EnTiTy

Its really funny to see even when my thread clearly says all beef with the DMS team aside, sjeep and his fanboys still takes this opportunity to slag me. Facts are facts. You cant hide those from your own forums. I dont have anything to prove to anyone anymore. I told the world about his lame tactics when it came to hdloader. Being as weakhearted as he is he eventually admitted to it in the maxconsole interview. Now his chip doesnt even work and there is concrete proof here and on his own forums but wait, im to blaim for these too! :lol:

[black ink]

I got black screen on mine. It works great until i put the metal sheilding back on the motherboard. I couldn't figure out why so I'm just going to have a pro installer do a matrix infinity. The problem isn't worth the frustration; I'll be satisfiedd to know a pro is making my modchip work. :)

[agentboolen]

Just when you think Sjeep couldn't get any lamer he then takes lessons from his new friend Z. Check out his new post and new handle!
http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=30130#30130

[Pixel]

I am utterly refraining from replying on that forum... that would be lame to flame anything back. Just a quick note: http://cvs.ps2dev.org/ps2sdk/AUTHORS?rev=1.2&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup and http://cvs.ps2dev.org/ps2sdk/README?rev=1.4&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup - where did I remove Sjeep-Nicholas-Van-Veen name here ? That's really bitching for bitching... child play inside. This thread is worse than the usual chit-chat in the average gay youth group.

[<G>]

he is just desperately trying to change the subject by making yet another fake nick on his forums and bringing up some more lies just to try to difuse the current situation with the EZI. Regardless of what people say they cant deny whats on their own forums. The chip doesnt work. the facts are facts, not even he can deny that.

[<G>]

I can't help but to post some juicy tidbits in this one. I hate DMS for other reasons though, mostly because of how max luarn has treated people lately. He knows the DMS is a below average modchip and he uses threats in order to force people into buying it.

The manufacturers of the clip moldings are none other than Vensik http://www.vensik.com.tw/ . I can say they do some fair work but they were warned of molds and clips with 1.00mm or less spacing. Everything below that was shoot and miss. It comes to no surprise that this is happening. It's the quality or lack thereof that affects this chip. For further technical proof of this one can only sample some of the Vensik work below the 1.00mm spacing.


this is very interesting, i didnt even see your post! So now we know they intentionally used these faulty manufactured parts for their mod. sacrificing quality just to make money.

[fasman]

Maybe we must start a "Is your dm$ giving you problems poll" and just let the numbers speak for themselfs,maybe that will keep them quite.

[gee-man]

lol wise up your talking spring loaded connections in plug sockets that are self cleaing because of friction wise up :P the clip is a static device that can notice i said can have oxidised build up, screw connections another duh you turn a screw it removes surface residue. and the reason you not suppose to use hot glue on a wire install it becomes acidic after time causing corrostion of the points flux another fave of mine if not cleaned up after an install for being corrosive and yes i do service all my own appliances every year for a reason its law in this country to do so for safety reasons and guess what the things above that you and are being sarcastic over do happen :P what about a bad earth a major cause for fire ever use slide switch amplifier the reason they crack and pop his etc when using them is because of this grease and dirt build up from contact and a reason most sets use protentiometers now its all down to the electrical safety i will post an example on metal on metal oxidisation i do tattoo's and the coils of the gun that the electric flows through from the knocker a screw basicly to the armature bar a flat plate gets corroded as electricty because of natrual oils from the skin is applied and the max voltage on a tattoo gun is 5v for outline 15v for colouring it actually burns into the bar because of the corrosion oil in whatever form is corrosive when electricity is applied but it all depends on the metals used copper is the worst gold plated still gets oxidised but does not break down and the reason most prefer gold plated audio video leads less oxidisation and an brilliant signal carrier
http://www.edpsciences.org/articles/jp3/pdf/1995/11/jp3v5p1707.pdf
a nice article oxygen also on indirect contact electronics cause's oxydisation on non solid state electronics some companys are considering converting to polymer based connections and stop using solder alltogether because of oxides from human contact and air.

why do you think plubming in yours mine and everybodys house is bonded to earth because of calcification another form of oxide and of course if the pipes become live even copper pipes are being replaced with pushfit plastic in new houses to combat this.
EnTiTy
Wow, that's the longest sentence I ever read... but you know what you're talking about. Making sure of that was the reason I posted my last post.

How about IC sockets? I've got an old 8088 computer here here which has almost every chip socketed, and it still works.

[EnTiTy]

I got black screen on mine. It works great until i put the metal sheilding back on the motherboard. I couldn't figure out why so I'm just going to have a pro installer do a matrix infinity. The problem isn't worth the frustration; I'll be satisfiedd to know a pro is making my modchip work. :)
read above i shouldnt help you but all four corners of the bios and dsp clip need pressure to make connection the chasis is either a unbalancing the clip so connection is not made or b trapping wires use 4 peices of double sided sticky pads on each corner 4 on the bios clip 4 on the dsp clip then make sure all the screws on the chasis are tight screwed in this should solve your problem :)
EnTiTy

[EnTiTy]

Wow, that's the longest sentence I ever read... but you know what you're talking about. Making sure of that was the reason I posted my last post.

How about IC sockets? I've got an old 8088 computer here here which has almost every chip socketed, and it still works.

lol im not the most literate bastard on these forums not ashamed to admit it, either never been one for , and. <--- notice the pun right their :lol: but when it comes to electronics :rolleyes:

The old style computers some use dip style sockets some zif which are pressure force sockets the dip uses spring loaded metal at each side not a spring as we know them but the metal used in the sockets is forced open by insertion of the ic and the pressure of the spring in the metal acts as a force against the leds of the ic you also have to consider these units were built in a sterile none contaminated dust free enviroment either by hand or machine then go through strict quality control before being released to the public.

to add another thing that people dont realise intel and amd have a failsafe for waste chips most ic's are made to a min max spec they produce all the ic's at say 3.06 only so many will work at this speed because of the delicate procedure to make such a component its basicly a full size pcb but made microscopic so failure rate can be quite high to get round this they underclock the ic;s not working at 3.06 to 2.0 2.7 etc and ship them out and its quite safe to do so because at that speed stability is reached if the ic fails to start at any speed or under the min spec thats the waste where they lose money other than that all chips produced at 3.06 are shipped out at various speeds when stability is met.
EnTiTy

[yahooadam]

Wow, that's the longest sentence I ever read... but you know what you're talking about. Making sure of that was the reason I posted my last post.

How about IC sockets? I've got an old 8088 computer here here which has almost every chip socketed, and it still works.
yes but your taling about a good quality socket with good connections

Beacause the chip was ment to sit in that socket

the chip sits in the socket (help by spring type bits) and it doesnt matter how pressure is applied beacause the chip should have every pin in the socket

Also the legs on those chips are big

Now when you start shoving a socket ontop of the chip its completly different

First pressure has to be applied evenly for good connections otherwise some pins wont connect

We are also talking about pins that are tiny, with a small margin of error

Cos this socket is cheap (and lets be honest ... it is) you have to split the money you pay between, wires, plastic, metal etc

So in all you actually cant afford much on each section

Thus you get a shit clip that
a) doesnt make good contact
b) breaks easilly
c) made too cheaply so margin of error is too high

Now i believe in freedom of speech, you can say what you want, but the facts are clear

Now i personally dont have anything against dms, i just dont think that this is a good idea atall

If you payed an extra $50 for this then you may start to believe quality is satisfactory

Also the fact the sheild doesnt even fit over is rediculous, this means that the socket pushes down far too much on the chips ... thus the chips (small amount of solder) break off and the chip comes off the board

These chips were never designed for this abuse, this entire thing is just stupid

If you cant solder, dont install a chip

[agentboolen]

That thread over at DMS is gettting really pathetic. Now they are complaining about some doom licenses! You dms guys need to quit crying about everything and focus on getting your products working properly.

[xiaNaix]

That thread over at DMS is gettting really pathetic. Now they are complaining about some doom licenses! You dms guys need to quit crying about everything and focus on getting your products working properly.

I agree. Suddenly ps2dev has been dragged into things. I'm not sure why they want to turn this into DMS vs. the rest of the PS2 scene but whatever. I think the effects of Divinio getting into bed with 0wnz are finally starting to take their toll. :crazy:

[<G>]

aw man i just noticed one of the most hilarious things i have ever seen this year and probably since i first saw the cracked hdloader release.

the funniest BS thread in the world (http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5805)

Have a hard notice at this piece of information.

We even baked the PS2 in a plastic bag at above 62 degrees to see whether or not the clips could withstand this kind of stress testing. They passed. We also dropped a PS2 from 3 feet in the air onto a tiled floor to see if the DSP and BIOS clips could maintain connection with their target IC's after a shock. We found that the PS2 DVD drive's external housing had broken, but this did not affect the functionality of the console. The DSP and BIOS clips had stayed attached to their targets fully intact and, infact, the console was able to boot software successfully, and all LED's displayed green on the test panel.

ROFL!! What a sick piece of propaganda that is!! How in the hell is anyone with half a mind supposed to believe this crap!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[fasman]

Yes they probebly also submerged it in petrol,lit it with a match,but yet the clip still works,Ya SURE!!

Were the F@#$% is the Proof you GDM LAMERS(note talking to DM$)!!

[EntwinedWS]

http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5810

http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5791

Crystal news site? :crazy: I think this news post really got to them, I expect any of the miraculously successful EZI install posts to be followed up with crap like that.

[Sleestak]

I don't understand all the fuss. Even in the Xbox scene these plug and play type mods aren't very well liked. They might work but are usually more trouble than they are worth in the long run.

[<G>]

I updated the original thread a bit with all of the stuff thats going on.

[<G>]

http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5810

http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5791

Crystal news site? :crazy: I think this news post really got to them, I expect any of the miraculously successful EZI install posts to be followed up with crap like that.


I wonder what brian calls the website he sponsors then DMSownz? :rolleyes:

[EnTiTy]

aw man i just noticed one of the most hilarious things i have ever seen this year and probably since i first saw the cracked hdloader release.

the funniest BS thread in the world (http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5805)

Have a hard notice at this piece of information.



ROFL!! What a sick piece of propaganda that is!! How in the hell is anyone with half a mind supposed to believe this crap!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
wtf they read my posts about plastic and injection molding and with supposed credible evidence to counteract such claims i was being honest about the design but this is bullshit ? just for that i should get a hold of a set of clips and disect them and bare all faults in the production from start to finish.

in all the time repairing ps2s it cant withstand being knocked from vertical to horizontal nevermind a 3 feet drop

[black ink]

read above i shouldnt help you but all four corners of the bios and dsp clip need pressure to make connection the chasis is either a unbalancing the clip so connection is not made or b trapping wires use 4 peices of double sided sticky pads on each corner 4 on the bios clip 4 on the dsp clip then make sure all the screws on the chasis are tight screwed in this should solve your problem :)
EnTiTy

After reading all of this I completely lost interest in going in for another attempt. I'm going to send my ps2 to a professional and have an infinity, a real modchip installed! :)

[CrystalChip]

We'd like to make a simple statement in regard to the accusations made by others in reference to the ps2-scene website. Despite what others claim, ps2-scene is not an "affiliate" or biased toward our products. We sent a many other ps2 sites invitations and samples to test our flagship product before it hit retail. Only 3 accepted the offer, only two ever posted a review. One noteable website simply ignored us and censored our url and name from their website. ps2-scene has always been a free site which offers information on PS2 console hacking, modding and development. We've always respected them as a free-agent and are happy that they remain so. Crystal Chips has no intention of "owning" or controlling any of the scene sites, we have our own website and use that as we wish.

There are a fair number of CC fans on ps2-scene and we'd be lying if we said that didn't please us. And why shouldn't it? We've worked hard to develope our product FROM SCRATCH and at no point have we ever borrowed/stolen/ripped code from others. We believe this does indeed make us special in a market which is widely known for its back-stabbing, ripping and cloning. We don't play games with words, we don't make up fake terms and features and we try to avoid all the drama that turns this scene into a cesspool. If ps2-scene appreciates those facts and wants to promote our chip based on its merits, what's wrong that? <G> is not a chip seller and it is not in his financial interrest to promote CC. In fact, it's it his detriment that he continues to express any positive feelings for CC since he gets jumped all over as being a "fanboy" if he mentions anything of the sort. We applaud him and would like to thank him for continuing to fight against the tide.

DMS enjoyed the benifit of ps2-scene's open-mindedness back in the day when Messiah was king and the market was saturated by chips exactly like Messiah. If they no longer get a good reception at ps2-scene, there're likely very good reasons for that.

This is all we're going to say on this site in regard to this. Normally we do not desire to even pay attention to such things but we felt the constant accusations of ps2-scene being CC-biased needed some form of reply. DMS has a problem with CC for personal reasons. They know what those are and so do we. That and their problems with ps2-scene are two completely different issues and should not be confused.

To the staff of ps2-scene: If any of you wish to install Crystal Chips in your consoles, we'll be happy to provide them free of charge. Of course this would result in your being labeled fanboys and would be used as "proof" that ps2-scene is CC-biased, but the offer stands regardless. We appreciate what you guys do either way. Thank you for everything you do for the scene, from hosting all of those emulators and other apps to offering open discussion on such a wide variety of console-related topics.

If you have any further questions please private message us. We have an open-door policy with everyone. :)

[loy]

hehe i love how your chips come with the crystal chip sticker like comp parts

[CrystalChip]

hehe i love how your chips come with the crystal chip sticker like comp parts


We aim to please. :)

[silentace]

god damn i love my crystal chip... so glad davbere convinced me to go with it over a MI... i love you guys in the crystal team... if you crack the codebreaker protection that would be the final straw in the huge pile of love i got for you all... Thanks Crystal Team for everything.

[TeflonJack]

i hate to say it but my friends and I all bought the DMS4 EzI based upon the hype. Well the chip doesn't live up to the hype.

3 mods were purchased, we had 2 unsuccessful attempts and 1 didnt bother. All three of out Test LED panel did not work, a fact that DMS4 admits, in various posts. This Test LED is instrumental in troubleshooting the chips.

To make a long story short, the mods were installed correctly and we ended up with BSODs. We attached and reattached the ground numerous times to no luck, they suggest soldering the ground, isn't this against having the point of having a solderless chip.

So we decided to removed the clips, one PS2 works, the other didn't work now. The pins on the DSP chip on the mobo were touching, we spent the next two hours seperating those pins and luckily was able to salvage the PS2.

It is rather interesting after the first day, only 33 percent of people got the chip to work on the first try, the rest had either problems but got it too work, had chips that didnt workor destroyed their Ps2s. It was after posting my complaints on the DMS site that magically posts about successful mods showed up. If you consider a successful mod, not being able to play backups that is. I won't point out the person, but you can easily find it on the site. He claims he has a succesful install, but in later posts saying he cant play backups.

I posted approximately 20 posts using this name on the DMS forums and luckily, I have been banned yet, but it is only a matter of time.

My advice is either spend the 120 or so for a solder mod chip andinstallation r just buy the swap magic discs which work on 90 percent of the games.

DMS also recently put up a new disclaimer that once the clip is used on one machine, it can't be removed and used on another. That is pretty funny and should tell you something about the quality of the clips.

TeflonJack

[T07N]

They just ripped you guys off... $80-110 and you could've had a modchip installed by a professional.

[Herben]

We're very happy that Mr Crystal decided to make his post on PS2NEWZ. It's very interesting that he is so concerned about people wondering if Newz is in Crystals pocket. Now for a history lesson.
Back in the days when Mr Crystal relied on his partner Mr DMS for things and the DMS was coded by Herben, Mr Crystal decided that he would try and take control of the coders which Mr DMS had found by himself. It wasn't obvious exactly at that point what
his motivations were as he posed as a friend. It turned out that Mr Crystal had been misrepresenting himself as the Boss of DMS when in fact we were equal partners, he had also been manufacturing extra QTy's of DMS3's and selling them secretly to keep more profits for himself.
When Mr DMS found this out he was obviously unhappy and decided to dissolve the partnership, asking the original coders to follow him. Mr DMS was unaware that Mr Crystal had been presenting himself to DMS coders that he was the BOSS and that Mr DMS was just his assistant. The DMS coders believed that they could follow Mr Crystal and earn more money. Mr Crystal even asked Herben to spy on Mr DMS whilst he was in Asia. Mr DMS became aware of the dirty dealings when Herben tried to tie Mr DMS to releasing a fake flash release to destroy the DMS customer base, since Mr DMs had taken full control of the website. Mr DMS found more talented and mature coders and developed the DMS4.The EZI project had been discussed with Mr Crystal back in the days when we were partners. Vensik was considered as a possible manufacturer, and hence now why we see the assumption and leak of information from Mr Crystal that Vensik developed the clips (How can they be so sure? Razz).The boot firmware from memory card Modchip project had been discussed with Mr DMS back in those days (Now released as the Crystal), when I advised that users would probably not like it and that sales would be bad. Herben and Mr Crystal refused to listen and they're probably regretting that strategy now, given that sales are so poor (Crystal CC1.0). Mr Crystal attempted dirty tricks again asking NeoAsic to contact our distributor saying that there were issues with DMS3+, even though no other resellers reported any issues. Another ocassion where we proved them wrong by modifying their sample cosnoles successfully with DMS3+.
DMS3+ continues to have demand today, even though it's no longer manufactured, so we see that another lame attempt to damage the DMS reputation by Mr Crystal failed. Mr Crystal realises that DMS and Matrix are the two most preferred and worldwide most popular modchips, you only have to search the webshops to see that for yourselves. He is desperate and attempts all dirty tricks by getting Herben to ask his long term buddy G for favours on his so called Scene site. When we look at the PS2NEWZ site we see little real positive news about Infinity, 02,G2 and DMS4, only adverts in the form of so called firmware releases from the Crystal team. Interesting that their slogan is: #1 for PS2 scene info, not sponsor ads disguised as news! What do they call each new Bootmanager release, backed by statemnts like Oh wow, second rlease in a week.. etc etc? They are quick to sling mud, yet their sponsor Gamefreax is the main European reseller for the Crystal Modchip in Europe. It's ironic that Gamefreax has been trapped in Mr Crystals bullshit, but then I'm sure Mike doesn't realise what's said behind his back by Mr Crystal Razz G2 is slated by PS2NEWZ, because it's another competitor to Crystal and O2 were banned under the lame excuse that they had stolen some code, which is the lamest shit we've ever heard.
Just for information Ripper 3 and Crystal are designed, coded and manufactured by none other than the Crystal Team. We know this because Herben tried to sell me the Ripper3 (although not named Ripper3 at that time) code and design for a budget DMS3 design two years ago using exactly the same set of IC's. Mr Crystal used the Ripper name to try and build his brand quickly, becuase he realised that he did not have too many options. There's no need for Mr Crystal to pretend that he's not been giving PS2NEWZ any favours up until now by offering Crystal chips in the public eye, because Mr Crystal and Gamefreax are paying for the Newz website hosting Razz A news site is supposed to be objective and fair, why is there very little news about other quality Modchips on the NEWZ site? Could have something to do with the fact that Herben, ******** and Mr Crystal are manipulating the news perhaps? Wink

okay I don't desire to become a member of the DMS forums so I'm going to post this here since it's obviously being viewed by the people I'm addressing.

First of all "Mr. DMS", at no point was I requested to "spy on you" by
"Mr. Crystal". As a matter of fact, I don't even think "Mr. Crystal" even asked me about that whole
ordeal what-so-ever. You're paranoid man, very very paranoid. I don't even know why you want to make this personal.
I've kept from making any public statements in regard to this because I don't want anything to do with that shit.
Just remember that you went down this road first...

You and I both know why I turned down your offer. You accepted the price I asked, that was never the problem. If I'd
wanted more I would have asked for it. It was the fact that you asked me to attempt to control what ps2newz(as ps2-scene was known at the time) would and would not review/post. I completely refused and i know G would never go for that. Yeah, G and I have been friends for ages. I'm happy about that and hope that he and I remain friends for years to come. I have no desire to abuse my friendship with him to have him unfairly promote anything.

Now I'm really fucking confused when it comes to this Ripper 3 thing. What the fuck are you talking about??? Is it because of the fact that they use an ex256? Jesus christ...

And now, how is it that -scene is getting any benifit from CC? Does being hosted by Gamefreax somehow line the
pockets of the -scene staff? or are you saying it's some sort of kickback system? :rolleyes:

You are soooooo fucking crazy man, I can't even believe it. All I can say is thank god I'm not involved with you anymore.
You and Sjeep have now run out of left-over technology from our cooperation. Let's not forget where the idea and plans
for the DSP clip came from(the original DMS3 hardware guy). Oh and it's also kinda funny that the auto-booting for PSX games works exactly like the way I described in confidence to Sjeep. That was real smooth Sjeep, class act. But I told
you you'd end up doing that, didn't I? :rolleyes:

You guys are slime, all around. Talk all the shit you want about Mr Crystal, but if he was so hell-bent on fucking DMS
over then answer this: Why hasn't he just dropped all of the DMS source code on the net for download? He certainly has
access to it and that'd hurt DMS far more than any other games he could have played. There's no benifit for him to keep it to himself, so...? You're simply a crazy, paranoid piece of shit who's convinced the world is out to fuck him and as such have decided to fuck everyone else pre-emptively. I hope you guys enjoy being in bed with the likes of Zima, it's fitting company.

And finally, dragging PS2DEV into this mess is super fucking low. Especially "fucktard" talking about how PS2DEV was removing my credits from PS2SDK. I don't need anyone else to protect me from PS2DEV, if I want credit for something I'll add myself to the authors list. Nobody ever removed me from the credits because I never added myself in the first place because I DON'T CARE about credit for it. My contributions are made to benifit everyone, I don't want anything in return from PS2DEV except for them all to keep doing what they're doing.

I've created more lasting innovations in the modding scene than anyone else, but I'm not asking everyone to credit me with that. Your products(and every other mod out ther) are all based directly on code that I created, from Messiah all the way on up. I don't need credit, I know what I've done and I'm proud that I've been able to influence the world on such a level. The only thing I wish is that you and the rest(especially those lame fucks at Matrix) wouldn't get so fucking high on yourselves when you're mostly just copying stuff done by someone else.

[EnTiTy]

herb you twat hope your looking after yourself :)

[Herben]

hey ent. :)

[Da Brass]

okay I don't desire to become a member of the DMS forums so I'm going to post this here since it's obviously being viewed by the people I'm addressing.

First of all "Mr. DMS", at no point was I requested to "spy on you" by
"Mr. Crystal". As a matter of fact, I don't even think "Mr. Crystal" even asked me about that whole
ordeal what-so-ever. You're paranoid man, very very paranoid. I don't even know why you want to make this personal.
I've kept from making any public statements in regard to this because I don't want anything to do with that shit.
Just remember that you went down this road first...

You and I both know why I turned down your offer. You accepted the price I asked, that was never the problem. If I'd
wanted more I would have asked for it. It was the fact that you asked me to attempt to control what ps2newz(as ps2-scene was known at the time) would and would not review/post. Yeah, G and I have been friends for ages. I'm happy about that
and hope that he and I remain friends for years to come. I have no desire to abuse my friendship with him to have him
unfairly promote anything.

Now I'm really fucking confused when it comes to this Ripper 3 thing. What the fuck are you talking about??? Is it because of the fact that they use an ex256? Jesus christ...

And now, how is it that -scene is getting any benifit from CC? Does being hosted by Gamefreax somehow line the
pockets of the -scene staff? or are you saying it's some sort of kickback system?

You are soooooo fucking crazy man, I can't even believe it. All I can say is thank god I'm not involved with you anymore.
You and Sjeep have now run out of left-over technology from our cooperation. Let's not forget where the idea and plans
for the DSP clip came from(the original DMS3 hardware guy). Oh and it's also kinda funny that the auto-booting for PSX games works exactly like the way I described in confidence to Sjeep. That was real smooth Sjeep, class act. But I told
you you'd end up doing that, didn't I? I'm sure you have ways to justify that to yourself though.

You guys are slime, all around. Talk all the shit you want about Mr Crystal, but if he was so hell-bent on fucking DMS
over then answer this: Why hasn't he just dropped all of the DMS source code on the net for download? He certainly has
access to it and that'd hurt DMS far more than any other games he could have played. There's no benifit for him to keep it to himself, so...? You're simply a crazy, paranoid piece of shit who's convinced the world is out to fuck him and as such have decided to fuck everyone else pre-emptively. I hope you guys enjoy being in bed with the likes of Zima, it's fitting company.

And finally, dragging PS2DEV into this mess is super fucking low. Especially "fucktard" talking about how PS2DEV was removing my credits from PS2SDK. I don't need anyone else to protect me from PS2DEV, if I want credit for something I'll add myself to the authors list. Nobody ever removed me from the credits because I never added myself in the first place because I DON'T CARE about credit for it. My contributions are made to benifit everyone, I don't want anything in return from PS2DEV except for them all to keep doing what they're doing.

I've created more lasting innovations in the modding scene than anyone else, but I'm not asking everyone to credit me with that. Your products(and every other mod out ther) are all based directly on code that I created, from Messiah all the way on up. I don't need credit, I know what I've done and I'm proud that I've been able to influence the world on such a level. The only thing I wish is that you and the rest(especially those lame fucks at Matrix) wouldn't get so fucking high on yourselves when you're mostly just copying stuff done by someone else.

Holy shit....look who decided to step back for a brief post.....Blast from the past. Hope things are going good for ya man...you deserve it!

As to the shit on the so-called "leading" mod maker's forums.....they've got soo many multiple personalities from the same person talking to each other....they all deserve to be on the Oprah show.

Hell.....it even compares to how Side was talking to himself in those Ghost threads from a few months back :lol:

One thing's for certain.......the DMS team are making PR for themselves....just not the right kind. ;)

[agentboolen]

I guess this is in response to this thread eh?
http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=30207

[<G>]

As for the company I keep, I couldn't be happier, I'm working with talented, honest and professional indviduals with integrity who have now become very close friends of mine. If you had any one of these attributes, you might be on the list of people that I choose to associate with. But then yes, i'm fussy about the company I keep and I'm glad your not in my circle, coz you don't deserve to be. I HAVE STANDARDS Wink
As for you being the master creator, maybe you should evalaute how much code you ripped from Datel and Origa brothers and exactly where the DEV.olution mode came from? Seem to rememember it was me. Don't stop now man, you're on a roll and really impressing me.


hehe looks like brian(DMS) decided to join the party there. I guess nick made a complete idiot of himself enough for the day so he had to call boss to come and take care of the mess. He was already in some heat for stealing hdloader code.

We posted all of our news with cold hard facts from your own forums. I guess thats what made you stand up and finally say something. Must be really humiliating for that to happen.

I guess you have standards right? Thats why you side with max luarn a well known con artist and credit card number theif and a horrible hardware coder in nick. Ah yes you have standards, I wonder if we all can remember back then there was the eurochip, the neo4 clone....ah yes you have standards brian... ;)
If i remember correctly you were the only lamer that had any contact with the ripper guys back with the ripper2. Infact they had the v9 patch routine before you did and they offered it to you in exchange for more DMS code.

As for your silly comments on the CC, us and H. I broke all ties with both DMS sides during the split and i continue to do so. I guess thats why you now have to sponsor ps2ownz just to get some publicity and im sure those little vendor tactics are your idea too. I dont care about any modchips besides ICE. We now focus on bringing the scene what it really wants, decent homebrew. Maybe we should begin to add anti-dms protections to our apps or better yet fry some firmwares when our apps are executed. ;)

I dont know why you think any of your statements are going to hurt me. You dont realise that you messed with the wrong group of people brian. You see we worked for the scene and we still do. You stole from the wrong group! You have money to lose. On the other hand, we have nothing to lose because we never wished to gain anything. ;)

[Herben]

More lies from you, what a surprise. We both know that the EX256 was to be used in the so called budget MOD, together with a PIC for the PSX code, or whatever else that wasn't important. With regards the DSP check your logs carefully I asked your HW guy about using the DSP for the CDVD patching because I had boticed that the tracks led back to the DSP, so nice try on trying to make out I used you guys ideas.
As for Mr Crystal, both you and Cobalt deserve him, lying slime and trash out to stab anyone in the back for a Dollar. I heard somebody else got fucked by him today, what a surprise Wink . Enjoy your new found partnership, it suits you down to the ground. Many people were first taken in with Mr Crystal's charm, only to be fucked and then report that he was
a cheap arsed bitch. I'm so happy you're working for him.
As for the company I keep, I couldn't be happier, I'm working with talented, honest and professional indviduals with integrity who have now become very close friends of mine. If you had any one of these attributes, you might be on the list of people that I choose to associate with. But then yes, i'm fussy about the company I keep and I'm glad your not in my circle, coz you don't deserve to be. I HAVE STANDARDS Wink
As for you being the master creator, maybe you should evalaute how much code you ripped from Datel and Origa brothers and exactly where the DEV.olution mode came from? Seem to rememember it was me. Don't stop now man, you're on a roll and really impressing me.
Ciao

Mr. DMS:

LOL, funny man. Dude, I was writing booting from memory card code back on the Neo4! Do you honestly think that ideas was yours? Is your brain that fucked? Does anyone else remember the "Cyclone Mod"? That was the project name for the device that eventually became DMS3, looong before DMS(which didn't exist) were even in contact with me. I was working with a different person back then and it didn't work out, eventually I hooked up with the guys and it became DMS3. One of the features was, you guessed it "Booting from memory card" along with flash upgrading, macrovision removal via software, the list goes on and on. So unless you somehow went back before we ever met and implanted the suggestion in my brain, that didn't happen. You're a really fucking weird dude, reality seems to have slipped your grasp.

And what code did I rip from Datel? Or Origa for that matter? I did check out Datel's region-free to figure out how the checksum was fixed. My final result worked nothing like Datel's did. Also, let's not forget that Sjeep used Datel's ActionReplay to find code that he used to make code for his tiny part in HDloader. So if I "stole" from Datel by checking what they did, so did Sjeep with HDloader. Talk all the shit you want buddy, I'll sling it right back at you. You just make yourself look like a crazy asshole who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

And in regard to the Ripper3 thing, ther than the fact that their chip uses an EX256, it has nothing to do with the design we had discussed. It uses the Infinity software for christs sake! Why would I bother doing that when I can make me own? Or at the very least I could have gotten rid of their fucking logo. You need to get off that subject, you're 100% wrong. I have nothign to do with Ripper and you of all people should know how much I hate them. Crazy shit..

It's pretty low of you to attack Cobalt too. He has nothing to do with any of this, you scared him away from this stuff long ago with your insanity. He never did a goddamn thing to you and now you lash out and attack a completely innocent person. I wish I could still rely on his expertise but you fucked that up by being a paranoid psycho. He was right to jet, he saw you for what you were alot more clearly than I could.

Now hopefully we can end this silly-ass soap opera. Maybe you like playing this drama out in public, but I don't. I have nothing to hide, I know what went down and what's what. But this is completely unprofessional and all around stupid. I honestly don't enjoy the fact that -scene is constantly prodding DMS, the drama just annoys me. That has nothing to do with me, regardless of what you like to think, I dont talk to Guichi anymore. I'm far more happy with things quiet and relaxed and professional.

[TarzanMan]

<G>. I take everything I said about ps2-scene not allowing the word 'dms' on the forum. One month in and here is a 7 (and counting) page long thread of bickering and arguments.

Its clear that a lot of people from various groups have things to say. I don't want to tell you how to run your message board/forum (especially since you've been proven the wiser in this particular situation), but I will make a suggestion that you could re-censor the word on most of the forums and just leave one or two where it wouldn't be converted to asteriks*.

I've never messed with the particular message board package this site uses, so who knows if selective censoring like that is even possible.

[<G>]

<G>. I take everything I said about ps2-scene not allowing the word 'dms' on the forum. One month in and here is a 7 (and counting) page long thread of bickering and arguments.

Its clear that a lot of people from various groups have things to say. I don't want to tell you how to run your message board/forum (especially since you've been proven the wiser in this particular situation), but I will make a suggestion that you could re-censor the word on most of the forums and just leave one or two where it wouldn't be converted to asteriks*.

I've never messed with the particular message board package this site uses, so who knows if selective censoring like that is even possible.


LOL!

[Jbrush44]

I dont understand all of the hatred here. Sounds like you all want to really kill eachother but i found the post at DMS boards where they talk about other modchip guys very disturbing. That post is extremely unprofessional; low blow DMS team. :(

I really wanted to post here just to inform those that are insterested in cold hard facts that my DMS4 EZI sadly isn't working either. I'm not aware of the things like breaking bios legs but there are enough problem threads at their boards to begin to think twice before purchasing their modchip.

[Snoop]

Awesome stuff to see Herben posting, it's just a shame its under these shitty circumstances...

The funny thing is, that even though many people are reporting problems with their chips (even in their own damn forums!), the DM$ crew still try to blame the issue on a personal vendetta that G has... Doesn't surprise me really... When you got no answer for the real problem, try and divert everyone's attention to something else...

[CHR1ZS]

hello all maybe you can help me i know you dont like dms but i really need help and nobody is helping me.

I have just installed the chip to my v8 console turned on the machine and got the dreaded black screen. I have plugged in the test panel to a power supply and that dosn't even light up. I can eject the tray, and can even hold square and the message chip disabled please reset comes up, but even then it won't boot up so what is the problem.
First of all I have soldered the earth to a gnd, so I wouldn't have thought that was at fault, but surely if I am not getting any lights on the test panel then, that would suggest that it would be earth.But seeing as I can disable the chip dosn't this mean that the chip must be earthed?Anyway I don't want to take off the clips if I don't have to, because I may not be able to get them back on, so any help and suggstions would be appreciated.

[fasman]

CHR1ZS According to DM$ some of the test pannels are faulty,I recomend you retern there chip ask for you money back and take your mechine to a proper Mod installer to install a proper mod chip(MI,Crystal,duo2se,enaything except DM$).

[xiaNaix]

I guess this is in response to this thread eh?
http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=30207

It's amazing how these guys feel the need to comment on years of modchip business practices based on a few negative posts on this forum. How do you suppose that stuff reads to your average Joe looking to buy a DMS chip? Doesn't exactly show a high degree of confidence in their own products now does it?

I'll say this again... PS2-Scene (PS2Newz, whatever) has always supported whatever modchip we feel offers the best combination of innovation, features, and price. Simple as that. At one time, it was the DMS3. That is no longer the case. People look to sites like this for news and opinions before making a purchase. It is our opinion that the Matrix Infinity and Crystal chips are the two best choices. We try to support our userbase with information on the products we feel will best serve them. End of story.

Unlike other sites, we are not sponsored by a major modchip manufacturer and forced to push certain products. Our sole sponser, GameFreax, pays for our server space and that's it. They are webshop and carry a wide variety of products. DMS mentions that "Gamefreax is the main European reseller for the Crystal Modchip in Europe" as if to show some sort of bias. All that tells me is that Gamefreax sells alot of Crystal chips. If you really expect people to believe that somehow this site is responsible for brainwashing consumers into buying Crystal chips over all the others you truly are crazy.

[agentboolen]

you say it hasn't happened? it's not your fault BUT DELETING OF POST HAPPENED and i was one who had his post deleted, it wasn't dms or similar things it was CRYSTAL BM PACK RELATED, you know that one of your rules was: NO HDLOADER ELF LINK POST, remember the first bm pack? IT CONTAINED HDLOADER, and i did a post asking why. three hours later IT WAS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!! and now i see that BM PACK CONTAINS ANOTHER TIME HDLOADER!!!!!!!!! so just see at the reality!

(sorry for the caps but today i was disappointed having my isp server down and using a crap 56k and not my adsl, and reading these things make me more angry)

I'm not going to waste my time register at the fanboy site just to post a reply to your stupid post. I don't really see what the hell is your problem with me but you could at least have the balls enough to post it here if you do. I honestly had no idea HDL was still in the package. <G> just warned me about it and removed the links. Let's not forget the time your own PS2OS had hdloader inside aswell. All you did was rename some tar.gz file to some other extension and used a modified PS2drv untar driver. I'm not saying you did it on purpose but you did it just as well as i did! You cant talk! I was and still very PO'd that nobody had the decency to tell me it was still inside the package.

All I keep hearing in the threads by sjeep and DMS are "sales are strong, they will not stop it". It's become very clear that sales is all they care about.
:rolleyes:

[<G>]

hello all maybe you can help me i know you dont like dms but i really need help and nobody is helping me.

I have just installed the chip to my v8 console turned on the machine and got the dreaded black screen. I have plugged in the test panel to a power supply and that dosn't even light up. I can eject the tray, and can even hold square and the message chip disabled please reset comes up, but even then it won't boot up so what is the problem.
First of all I have soldered the earth to a gnd, so I wouldn't have thought that was at fault, but surely if I am not getting any lights on the test panel then, that would suggest that it would be earth.But seeing as I can disable the chip dosn't this mean that the chip must be earthed?Anyway I don't want to take off the clips if I don't have to, because I may not be able to get them back on, so any help and suggstions would be appreciated.

Doesnt surprise me one bit. If it isnt working then get your money back and get yourself a wired modchip.

[tickford]

I guess they(DMS team) can't have their cake & eat it??Any pro installer knows clips do not work permanently....even your normal Ic sockets in pcb's are a piece of crap IMHO.....how many times I've had to fault find a pcb,looking fopr a faulty component,to find it was the socket that was at fault :mad:

I'll say this again... PS2-Scene (PS2Newz, whatever) has always supported whatever modchip we feel offers the best combination of innovation, features, and price. Simple as that. At one time, it was the DMS3. That is no longer the case. People look to sites like this for news and opinions before making a purchase. It is our opinion that the Matrix Infinity and Crystal chips are the two best choices. We try to support our userbase with information on the products we feel will best serve them. End of story
As for the above statement,I think people/modders can decide for themselves what has the best features/works best.I have installed all of the current mods,& they all have nice features. :p

[xiaNaix]

Absolutely. It should be up to the end user to decide what chip they want in their console. If someone wants us to suggest something our advice would be the Matrix or Crystal as first choice. To be honest, I wouldn't tell somebody NOT to buy a DMS4. These EZ boards are another story, though.

[Da Brass]

Heh....maybe they should rename this the new PMS4 chip.

PMS4 - Eternal Zero Intelligence :p

I don't even think the "so-called" T0XiC Team can save this chip.....even though they seem to release "bug-fixes" that the PMS team can't fix.

I wonder what that means....is the PMS team inferior coders or something else........ :chinscrat

Maybe the T0XiC boys can convince old Britney to let them use her video as an intro. :lol:

[T07N]

From now on DMS Team will be known as PMS Team.

[xiaNaix]

It pisses me off that these guys try to put some sort of stink on this entire site just because they have a problem with Guichi. There are plenty of other people helping to run this place and I don't think they've all organzised a conspiracy against DMS. The main reason for the general dislike of DMS products here is most likely due to their sponsorship of 0wnz. At least we allow our users to talk about ALL the various modchips here. Try mentioning anything but DMS products over at 0wnz and see what happens. :lol:

This thread needs to go the Flamerz & Lamerz section anyway. :rolleyes:

[T07N]

We should refer people who post PMS4 problems in the modchip section to this thread. Saves a lotta typing.

[<G>]

its simple really, since im the one they screwed the most at this site and im the one that fights back against them the most i become their scapegoat for their problems. Anyone with a decent brain in their head can see the conspiracy between dmsownz and also the problems with the EZI.

[tickford]

The main reason for the general dislike of DMS products here is most likely due to their sponsorship of 0wnz.

Yes,valid point.....but as neutral person,I can't see their products(aside the clips) being judged on its merit,because of personal differences some people have with them,hence its not a unbiased opinion is it?? :chinscrat

[<G>]

Yes,valid point.....but as neutral person,I can't see their products(aside the clips) being judged on its merit,because of personal differences some people have with them,hence its not a unbiased opinion is it?? :chinscrat

course many people that dont have any opinions about ownz would see it that way. In that case look at the record of the DMS4 compared to other chips on the market. They are not reliable at all, wired or not.

[xiaNaix]

Yes,valid point.....but as neutral person,I can't see their products(aside the clips) being judged on its merit,because of personal differences some people have with them,hence its not a unbiased opinion is it??

I think if you read the news post that started this whole whirlwind you'll find that the concern was with one particular DMS product, the EZI. Guichi was drawing attention to a series of problems being experienced by users of this new mod, including posts made on the DMS forums themselves. It was the DMS crew who then proceeded to drag in other topics. I think the true bias they are worried about is the bias against "plug and play" mods such as this one. It has long been established, as someone said in an earlier post, even in the X-Box scene, that these types of mods are regarded as unstable and unreliable.

As for Guichi having a problem with DMS in general, that is true. It stems from problems going to back to when Sjeep (now head coder of DMS) was a moderator here and the fact that they now sponsor 0wnz. That does not have any bearing on the facts when it comes to the EZI. While I am no longer involved in the daily operations of this site, if I thought for one second that what Guichi posted was not true or unfair I would have immediately contacted Da_Brass and had him remove it. What isn't fair is for DMS to label this entire site as "anti-DMS" just because they have a problem with one administrator.

I've been around long enough to remember the launch of every single modchip since the original PSX days. There have been situations like this nearly every time where a new mod has problems, a site like this reports it and the manufacturer goes ape-shit. It comes with the territory.

[foundmy]

I thought i'd put in my professional opinion of the EZI adapters.

the idea is great but it has a bad history...

The reliability of this product in an everyday use of a ps2 is not good.
We seen this all the way back with the neo4.x days, and seen CHIPS LIFT OFF (like the bios chip) right off the board. why? heat. plain and simple.

most of these clips style products are used to re-program or diagnose (onboard ICs) once completed its removed and not ment to stay on forever.

I do hope they fix the problems, but right now, its dejavu all over again with the clip kits.

[Jmbear3]

Sure your going to read about problems with this chip...blah blah blah, but compared to the ratio of units sold, complaints about this unit are just as much as any other. I myself have done 4 so far without ANY problems, everything Ive been reading is mostly due user/installation error. Its just 2 many inexperienced people thinking its a breeze to install. While compared to micro soldering, its is quite simple, but like with any mod, great care must be taken for a proper fit.
Hey, its alot easier for an installer like myself to save time w/ these units compared to traditional installs, but they should have a warning that some basic pcb/electrical experience is needed. Its not for everyone, but for people like me, its a time saving money maker, that I can appreciate.

Keep up the good work Scene,
end the war brothers.

[agentboolen]

Sure your going to read about problems with this chip...blah blah blah, but compared to the ratio of units sold, complaints about this unit are just as much as any other. I myself have done 4 so far without ANY problems, everything Ive been reading is mostly due user/installation error. Its just 2 many inexperienced people thinking its a breeze to install. While compared to micro soldering, its is quite simple, but like with any mod, great care must be taken for a proper fit.
Hey, its alot easier for an installer like myself to save time w/ these units compared to traditional installs, but they should have a warning that some basic pcb/electrical experience is needed. Its not for everyone, but for people like me, its a time saving money maker, that I can appreciate.

Keep up the good work Scene,
end the war brothers.

Let professor Boolen teach you some simple math.

The math speaks wonders. There are roughly 3 pages worth of threads at the dms forums that have to do with installation of the EZI. The chip was released on january 24 according to the DMS post started by filterX in the news forum. and lets per say 3 days shipping for the average consumer. Lets begin on jaunary 27-feb 15; 19 days. I took the liberty to do a rough count of the threads at the dms forums. My definition of rough is simply scrolling down, i counted all of the threads that have problem subjects that have not been edited. I lost count and patience just shy of 50. Lets keep it at 50 then. You have 50 threads set by default to each page. 2 full pages of support threads. The third page has roughly 12 threads that begin the support threads. 3 Out of those 13 are problem threads. Bear in mind i did'nt count cross posting; support posts inside an existing thread or threads at any other forum including ps2-scene. Count them yourself if you don't believe me.

45 threads in the first page
50 in the second page
13 in the third.
---------------------------
108 threads
- ~50 problem threads excluding cross posts
---------------------------
58 good threads
Just shy over 50% in 19 days

Don't know if you call just over 50% a success story.I can just see the expression on filterX's face now. "w00t! The EZI works on 50% of the consoles installed; We make 100% profit!"

<G> Post a straight, concious post with no derogatory flaming. Nothing but facts from posts from the neoasic clip era and the flood of EZI threads here. I don't see anyone attacking backup-source for their thread. http://www.backup-source.com/modules.php?name=News&file=showarticle&threadid=9549

DMS deserves every flame they get, they cheat, steal and pull the wool over the eyes of n00bs with the help of ps2ownz. Lamers and uninformed fanboys have no place in the scene.

PS: to Agent21KGB: Don't get the wrong idea about me pointing out your post. You said exactly what many of us wanted to say but we'd rather rub true evidence in their face. :D

[Da Brass]

Truth hurts, but it's tough love. Nobody wants to accept the truth for what it is. Sure...the PMS team and G have a beef......but we've got other admins/mods here that CHOOSE to be here and express their own opinion because they can accept the truth.

Every person has their own opinion of what chip they like, but you can't dispute cold hard facts. Think of it this way: They're thinking like the big "S" right now. Release a crap product (V9/10/12 LA&BA blown anyone?) and ignore the problems so they can turn over a profit. Where's the logic for the END USER, who wants the product or INSTALLER that supports the product? :rant:

They've just SCREWED either or both parties out of at least $230 ($150 for console + $80 for a chip) with this problem and leaving them dissatisfied/frustrated. Of course, the PMS team could give 2 shits cuz they've already made the sale and recovered their cost for that 1 product and can blame them for "HOW" it was installed. :mad:

TBH we only reported the problem from users here and THEIR OWN FORUMS......they're doing a much better job of screwing themselves over with all the rhetoric they spew and "trying" to dodge the issue by bringing up "history" that should never really have been made public and have no relevance to the problem. :crazy:

LOL.....how many "new user" posts sprout up on their boards and defend the EZI or "CLAIM" a successful install, and then have a "Congratulations" post 1 or 2 replies down. :lol: Trying to save face? :chinscrat

Would have been better off having "reputable" people (and I use the word loosely, as there's very few of them left) conducting a review of the install or at least people with higher post counts than "1" saying they had a successful install. Oh wait.....how does that Britney song go again......."Oops....I did it again!" :banghead: I've just given them a suggestion and exposed their next set of BS to fool everyone by making successful install posts from *SUPPOSED* users and artificially inflating their post count to make it seem like they've been around.

At least with Backup Source, they're not afraid to post anything...including the T0XiC stuff I might add, but the point is that at least they don't shy away from the truth.

The PMS team "claims" they are using a Japanese technology with their Japanese precision micro molded interconnects. I highly doubt that a smaller Japanese company would output such shoddy clips. My direct experience with Japanese companies tell me otherwise becaues its bad for business as word of mouth and reputation are everything to the culture. This leads me to believe this Taiwanese connection is more accurate.

The BOTTOM LINE is that there are a few of us left out there to protect the END USER who makes the buying decision. Every chip has their flaws (Matrix/Ghost/DMS/Messiah/Magic/Crystal), some less than others, but they ARE flaws which we always report. Just not everyone is willing to make a post about it.

I can hear the coffin closing on the PMS team with all these latest escapades and this EZI situation is just one of the many nails they've created to put them under.

[letsmod]

way back when Neoasic sent me first developed kit to test and the 3 unit I did with the Neo 4 clip kits, died within days, 2 units had the bios chip fall off from overheating and one just simple died, black screen. None of the unit where fixable!!! I have warned people fo rover 2 years and refuse to do any of these installs for people, HORRIBLE idea!!

[Jmbear3]

AGentboolen & DaBrass ,

Hey brothers calm down...

Im just an avid reader, and this is exactly why I dont post.

Ive seen all the posts you were talking about.. hey lets just say 200 negative..
but people like me, that have had no probs, dont post cause were too busy gaming, (and thats cause i bought a bunch of units) how many people do you think are going to post is they have a sucsessul install?? Less that 1% if you ask me. The only reason I posted, is because I just couldnt believe all the negative goings on about the product. I was logged into the forum looking at other stuff when I saw this thread, it aroused my interest because mine were done quite effortlessly, and I was curious to see what the big deal was. Hey with all the negative talk going on, it sure isnt hurting sales for those guys. And if there is a problem later on (i.e clips failing, falling off...etc.) its just going to hurt those guys broad customer base in the long run, so why get upset?? EVERYBODY knows the risk of just OPENING your system ( eject ribbon cables..ect) and there not forcing anyone to buy their products, so whats the big deal? I just posted my experience and thought I'd speak for all the sucessfull people with good installs. Ive been a customer of those guys for some time, if the product fails within an unreasonable amount of time then I will no longer purchase products from said maker. But it is my belief that releasing a faulty product would be suicide for their broad customer base, IM sure they tested these things for quite some time before releasing, nobody is that stupid, leastnot anyone in the scene period.

sorry if I upset anyone, I wuz just being honest about my experience, you want pictures ,help, or whatever p.m. me.

oh and by the way, I never even posted "over there" about these units, like I said I was just here looking at other stuff.

damn its safer not to post, Ill just stick to reading...jeez :crazy:

Keep up the good work scene.


on another note, Nice Unit Dabrass, cAN U change that O.e.m 40 giger to an aftermarket Hdd?? What kinda mod you got in there?

[Kal-El]

I can totally agree with the rules on this forum. If you guys got beef with other people in the scene thats your battle. Im just here for news and info. I joined this site well before the EZI was mentioned (at least to my knowlege) Im just a regular guy wanting a simple solution to a mod chip. EZI came along and before waiting for reviews I preordered one. I wasnt too worried because DMS is a good name. Whether you guys have beef with them or not they have produced good chips. It was even suggested that people install them (as mentioned on dms boards) I dont know if something more happened between you all but you just flip a 180 and say their products is crap. I have many friends who have a modded ps2 and have no connections what so ever to the ps2 scene. When I asked them they all said DMS. Ill admit they all seemed iffy about a solderless tho. My install went with out a hitch other than ground wire. This is something the team could work on. I know I havent had this installed for long so we'll see what the future holds, But as of now its running perfect. Played Burnout 3 for over 2hrs last night from the hard drive. Been playing DBZ3 for nearly 3 hrs also from hard drive. I honestly cant understand how this install can be messed up if instuctions are follwed. Ive never opened my ps2 before or ever installed a mod chip. This was a simple solution I was looking for. I would honestly suggest this chip to ANYONE looking for a chip. Even if you can solder it saves time and frustration. Im sure as you do more installs you might get one that screwed up but come on how many of you installers have a perfect record? This chips works for me. As I mentioned I have no problems with the rules so I wont be mentioning dms anywhere but this post.

[agentboolen]

I can totally agree with the rules on this forum. If you guys got beef with other people in the scene thats your battle. Im just here for news and info. I joined this site well before the EZI was mentioned (at least to my knowlege) Im just a regular guy wanting a simple solution to a mod chip. EZI came along and before waiting for reviews I preordered one. I wasnt too worried because DMS is a good name. Whether you guys have beef with them or not they have produced good chips. It was even suggested that people install them (as mentioned on dms boards) I dont know if something more happened between you all but you just flip a 180 and say their products is crap. I have many friends who have a modded ps2 and have no connections what so ever to the ps2 scene. When I asked them they all said DMS. Ill admit they all seemed iffy about a solderless tho. My install went with out a hitch other than ground wire. This is something the team could work on. I know I havent had this installed for long so we'll see what the future holds, But as of now its running perfect. Played Burnout 3 for over 2hrs last night from the hard drive. Been playing DBZ3 for nearly 3 hrs also from hard drive. I honestly cant understand how this install can be messed up if instuctions are follwed. Ive never opened my ps2 before or ever installed a mod chip. This was a simple solution I was looking for. I would honestly suggest this chip to ANYONE looking for a chip. Even if you can solder it saves time and frustration. Im sure as you do more installs you might get one that screwed up but come on how many of you installers have a perfect record? This chips works for me. As I mentioned I have no problems with the rules so I wont be mentioning dms anywhere but this post.


Like it was said before. You're one of the lucky ones then. Speaking of which; There are more complaints then there was before! Now does the new news at dmsownz strike people as odd? Perfect timing for DMS. $100 bonus in Z's pants.


It's a damn shame lesser sites with a jealous grudge against the DMS folks intentionally diss their latest achievement by only pointing out the 50 posts with issues, rather than the 1000+ satisfied users without any. Team PS2Ownz simply says, ROCK ON DMS Team!


Irony strikes, he mentions my statement. There are more complaints than ever now. Looks like I might have to call for a recount? :lol:

[gameplaya376]

Quote from Z ,
"Props to Radiskull for the unbiased review"

now that is funny :ownzer:

[<G>]

at least some people are starting to see the light. I dont really care anymore, ive told everyone i dont have anything to gain from this. The DMS team is going to show everyone what their made of....not much of anything.

http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5989

[xiaNaix]

It's a damn shame lesser sites which are being funded by the DMS folks intentionally mislead consumers by intentionally helping to cover up problems with their sponsor's products and OBVIOUSLY turning their site into nothing more than a giant advertising billboard. Team PS2Scene simply says, Ugh! :rolleyes:

[T07N]

at least some people are starting to see the light. I dont really care anymore, ive told everyone i dont have anything to gain from this. The DMS team is going to show everyone what their made of....not much of anything.

http://web02063.prolocation.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5989


LOL, i've been banned from dms forum for supporting this site. haha

[gameplaya376]

lol, they banned you ? did you even post anything there ? i find that kinda strange because netmech is a mod here and they still let him advertise on there forums .

[T07N]

I posted solutions to the ps14 fuse blowing. I never dared to post anything against their chip on there though.

[dragun]

thanx alot for info, I was considering getting this chip

[Sleestak]

I posted solutions to the ps14 fuse blowing. I never dared to post anything against their chip on there though.

So they banned you for trying to help their customers? :lol: :wow:

[messiahfan2003]

Well I expect that from these Lamers! :LOL: But then again they are trying to defend themselves but I dont support these people anyways. I dont care what they say about this site being bad or anything like that. My dad said it wasn't really possible to make a clip for the DSP or bios chips. Just my 2 cents.

[dpuza]

I am completely new to the "PS2 scene" and I would like to share my experience. (If you want to skip my life story and jump to my main point, go ahead and skip to the last three paragraphs of my post.)

::LifeStory::

Some background: I am 24 years old, male. :p I work as a computer programmer. I am married, for almost three years. We are both huge fans of the Final Fantasy series. (We went to the Dear Friends concert in Chicago, two days ago on Saturday! :cool: ) For one of our wedding gifts, we recieved FFX but did not have a PS2 at that point so we bought one just to play that game. I also bought FFXI Online when it was released and play that regularly but otherwise do not play/own many other games.

Then in December we found out about Dance Dance Revolution. We ended up buying two dance pads and all the games we could find in the stores (the three PS2 versions). I found out that there were many more games in the series released in Japan with more songs, and eventually I was able to download just about all of them from eMule. Now I just needed a way to play them!

So I went to Google, and found the DMS EZI Pro. I think at that point the chip was announced but not available. When it became available for presale at *******.cn in December, I put in my order.

::/LifeStory::

All of that background was just to show where I'm coming from. I have no electronics knowledge or experience of any kind and certainly have never opened up my PS2 before. I realize this is my first post to this board, but I have been fairly active on the DMS forums since I preordered the DMS EZI Pro (using the same handle: 'dpuza'). I just found out about the ps2-scene.org web site through the DMS forums because I wanted to learn more about homebrew development. Right away I found this thread and had to share my experience.

I finally recieved the DMS EZI Pro last week. I very carefully followed the instruction manual provided and installed it the same day I recieved it. My ONLY problem was that the LED test panel was DOA, but I was expecting that based on feedback from the DMS forums. However, I don't care one bit about the LED test panel, because after I reassembled my PS2, it booted up fine, first time, no tweaking necessary. I flashed the BIOS right away just fine. Immediately I was playing my burned Japanese games.

Everything is working great. I have not experienced any problems. I am very happy and satisfied with the DMS EZI Pro.

[xiaNaix]

There is no question that this mod can be successfully installed and functional. There is also no question that alot of people are having problems. Consider yourself one of the lucky ones and hope that there are no problems down the line.

[dpuza]

There is no question that this mod can be successfully installed and functional. There is also no question that alot of people are having problems. Consider yourself one of the lucky ones and hope that there are no problems down the line.

Installing a mod chip in your PS2 is definately not supported by Sony. :lol:

Considering that, it means that you're on your own if you decide to try it, and should understand the risks involved: there is a definite potential to completely fry your PS2.

I imagine that the risk exists no matter which mod chip we're talking about.

So in that case, yes, I do consider myself lucky that my PS2 still works at all. I would have considered myself lucky if I had decided to go with any other chip and I got my PS2 back in working condition.

For the same reasons, I am also not suprised that a lot of people are having problems. I would imagine that people might have problems installing any type of mod chip.

I chose to go with a solderless solution because A) I don't know how to solder and B) I don't have the equipment. That kind of rules out anything else unless I had it done professionally -- which is probably a great way to go, I'm not arguing against that. But I liked the idea of "doing it myself" rather than "sending it out to have someone else do it for me". That way I get to know exactly what's being done to my machine, learn a little in the process, and -- get this -- hey! I had fun and thoroughly enjoyed the experience of doing it. I made my decision and I am happy with it.

I would have to argue with you, xiaNaix. I would say from the majority of this thread that the reader is left with a very suspicious feeling of whether the DMS EZI can be successfully installed and functional or not. That is why I felt I must post my experience, to provide a clear example that, yes, the DMS EZI *can* be successfully installed; and that it can be installed successfully by someone who does not have any previous experience.

[xiaNaix]

Sure, it can be successfully installed. The problem is that mods of this type

A) Can be more likely to blow your console during the install than a soldered mod.
B) Are more likely to cause problems down the road than a soldered mod.

It just isn't not smart to risk your console given the reputation of these types of devices. My problem is not with the DMS EZI itself, but the entire concept behind mods of this type. There have several products like this for various consoles, including the X-Box, and they are widely regarded as problematic. I'm actually suprised that so many people are overlooking the history with similar products.

It's simply much smarter to either have a soldered mod professionally installed or to buy a pre-modded console.

[T07N]

I hope it continues working, cause most of the reading I've done, problem accur couple days after the mod is sucessful.

[Da Brass]

Well....goes to show you....no matter how good our intensions on reporting the "facts"....people just don't want to listen...but then again....people will have their own minds and their own decisions to make.

[Snoop]

I imagine that the risk exists no matter which mod chip we're talking about.

There is always a risk when modding your PS2, everyone knows that. However there are different degrees of risk. A professionally installed wired chip has less of a chance blowing up your machine during and AFTER your install. From here and DMS's own forums, you can see that people are having trouble AFTER a successful installation. Hope yours is not one of them...

[Phreaker47]

I sure am glad I decided not to get this one.

My brief story: Corrupted my DMS 1.0 flash and found out the hard way that the backup flash wouldn't boot in my V7 (it was flashed before it was ever installed.) I thought about getting the EZI but then I realized two things: (1) possibly wouldn't work and would have issues, and (2) I realized I could get a DMS3+ for $30 and basically just replace the wires on the chip end (plus removing five completely.) Option 2 worked out great.

[gameplaya376]

glad you brought that up , i personally would recomend the dms3+ over the dms4 any day (and not just the ezi) . that is still a great chip and only lacks auto boot which is not that big of a deal .