New fix for pstwo working great!!!!!!!!!!

[comsoft]

The new fix which me and albert35 started to work on couple of month ago is finished for along time, and after installing it on more then 100 pstwos we censirly say IT'S WORKING!!!! :D

the fix was based on the matrix pic 12c508 IDEA (which was rewriten from scratch) with additional fanctionallity!!!!

the fix compose from two elements:

1. filterring the signal that gose to the RS2400FS and reducing the it's voltage by using capacitors. (done by albert35)
2. a 12c508 pic with a NEW CODE that does much more then just shutting-down the console (writen by me).

the pic code act this way:

1. on boot it waits 1 second delay.
2. starts to see if mechanics is active, after 0.5 seconds of inactivity (1.5 total) it's disable the current flow to the lens by muting the RS2400FS.
3. continue testing the mechanics interrupt line, if mechanics active it reanable the current flow to the lens and jump to the "watchdog" loop. if mechanics still not working (INT IS LOW) for another 1.5 sec, the
PIC shutdown the pstwo.

the "watchdog" routine:
1. the pstwo check interrupt line for every 1 ms.
2. if interrup line is ok waits 1 ms and check it again.
3. if interrup line is "DEAD" for 50 ms the chip disables the current flow to the lens.
4. if the mech return to ACTIVE STATE the chip enable the crrent flow to the lens and start over.
4. if the mech line is inactive for 200 ms , the chip shutdown the pstwo.

forthermore the chip has TEST option.
if the tray is opend while trying to turn-on the pstow, it imidiatly turn-on and off.

the fix works great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the only problem with this fix that it takes a time to install it.
i'm checking with a local compnay to produce it on pcbs ready to install.

[LiquidCell]

having them on PCBs would be great, I have a good idea for mod chips and the summ0ne fix but im not gonna clone a chip just to have my own idea, it would be stealing it all, I think summ0nes fix would be fine enough :D.

[Morpherex]

An automatic shutdown fix is seriously fucking retarded. Play a game, boom shuts down. Sorry, but I'm gonna use Sumones.

[comsoft]

An automatic shutdown fix is seriously fucking retarded. Play a game, boom shuts down. Sorry, but I'm gonna use Sumones.

U actully didn't understand a thing of what i wrote :)

[comsoft]

having them on PCBs would be great, I have a good idea for mod chips and the summ0ne fix but im not gonna clone a chip just to have my own idea, it would be stealing it all, I think summ0nes fix would be fine enough :D.

"clone a chip to have u'r own idea.." WTF u'r talking about???

if someone fix is so good how come there is more then 20% death in console using it????

we used our fix in more then 100 pstwos for about 3 month now and all working great, not even one console dead!!!!!!!!!!!!

[uns97]

Any new idea is welcome. Are you going to release the pic hex code or are you selling the PCB version only ?

regards, Stephen

[CeREaL]

can you install it on mine? I'll let you use my psTWO as a guinea pig ;) hahaha, when will you start selling your fix?

[richln]

Thanks for providing a new solution for the PStwo problems, comsoft.
Where do you get your information that the summ0ne fix has more than a 20% failure rate?

[Shapes]

"clone a chip to have u'r own idea.." WTF u'r talking about???

if someone fix is so good how come there is more then 20% death in console using it????

we used our fix in more then 100 pstwos for about 3 month now and all working great, not even one console dead!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where did you pull 20% from? It would be nice have some proof before you start throwing numbers around :) . Summ0nes fix has worked for quite a bit more than 100 PStwos, with a failure rate that is almost non-existant (and was more than likely cause by user-end issues rather than the fix itself).

In short summ0ner's is cheap, easy and has a 99.99% success rate.

~cheers

[Ruebeman]

An automatic shutdown fix is seriously fucking retarded. Play a game, boom shuts down. Sorry, but I'm gonna use Sumones.
Even summ0ne's fix isn't able to prevent a mechacon crash from happening. It is said to save the coils in that case, but you _still_ have to manually shut down the PStwo to play any further. So I really don't get your point of view.

if someone fix is so good how come there is more then 20% death in console using it????
I remember albert35's contribution to a former "Slim PStwo has problems"-thread and I'm really looking forward to your solution. Though I'm not able to retrace your figures about the summ0ne fix either.

[Thinkdiff]

so how much is this gonna cost?

[comsoft]

Thanks for providing a new solution for the PStwo problems, comsoft.
Where do you get your information that the summ0ne fix has more than a 20% failure rate?

well from the poll at http://www.ps2-scene.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31862

right now it shows that the someone fix has 12% fails, but i'm pritty sure that erlier it was 22%.

5 fails/ 41 success = 12% fails

[wmb88]

The new fix which me and albert35 started to work on couple of month ago is finished for along time, and after installing it on more then 100 pstwos we censirly say IT'S WORKING!!!! :D

the fix was based on the matrix pic 12c508 IDEA (which was rewriten from scratch) with additional fanctionallity!!!!

the fix compose from two elements:

1. filterring the signal that gose to the RS2400FS and reducing the it's voltage by using capacitors. (done by albert35)
2. a 12c508 pic with a NEW CODE that does much more then just shutting-down the console (writen by me).

the pic code act this way:

1. on boot it waits 1 second delay.
2. starts to see if mechanics is active, after 0.5 seconds of inactivity (1.5 total) it's disable the current flow to the lens by muting the RS2400FS.
3. continue testing the mechanics interrupt line, if mechanics active it reanable the current flow to the lens and jump to the "watchdog" loop. if mechanics still not working (INT IS LOW) for another 1.5 sec, the
PIC shutdown the pstwo.

the "watchdog" routine:
1. the pstwo check interrupt line for every 1 ms.
2. if interrup line is ok waits 1 ms and check it again.
3. if interrup line is "DEAD" for 50 ms the chip disables the current flow to the lens.
4. if the mech return to ACTIVE STATE the chip enable the crrent flow to the lens and start over.
4. if the mech line is inactive for 200 ms , the chip shutdown the pstwo.

forthermore the chip has TEST option.
if the tray is opend while trying to turn-on the pstow, it imidiatly turn-on and off.

the fix works great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the only problem with this fix that it takes a time to install it.
i'm checking with a local compnay to produce it on pcbs ready to install.

Would you tell us more detailed about your first element of the fix? What voltage is reduced by capacitors? The peak level of input I would guess. If so I still would say Summone's fix is good enough not only it's easy and effective but also the most closer fix to the problem in theory and practice. It's the constant DC inputs that killed the coil not the level of AC peaks (Sony already has a filteration capacitor in line) . Summone's fix added a resistor that pulled the level of inputs closer so that the ouput can be effectively lower because the OP amp is configured as a Differential Amplifier.

[comsoft]

Where did you pull 20% from? It would be nice have some proof before you start throwing numbers around :) . Summ0nes fix has worked for quite a bit more than 100 PStwos, with a failure rate that is almost non-existant (and was more than likely cause by user-end issues rather than the fix itself).

In short summ0ner's is cheap, easy and has a 99.99% success rate.

~cheers

I don't say the someone fix is no good, i was just taking numbers from the pull which has been changed meanwile.

If i'm mistaken i'm sorry, but the pull right now abovius showing a 12% fails with someone fix.

[comsoft]

Would you tell us more detailed about your first element of the fix? What voltage is reduced by capacitors? The peak level of input I would guess. If so I still would say Summone's fix is good enough not only it's easy and effective but also the most closer fix to the problem in theory and practice. It's the constant DC inputs that killed the coil not the level of AC peaks (Sony already has a filteration capacitor in line) . Summone's fix added a resistor that pulled the level of inputs closer so that the ouput can be effectively lower because the OP amp is configured as a Differential Amplifier.

about the usage of the capacitors albert35 will explain it better then me but right now hes on vication in the east.

i was more on the digital side of the development.

but from what albert told me the capacitors tood down the voltage on the coils by half.

me and albert35 (and some installers in israel in which i gave them samples) where installing this fix for a long time, and only now with 0 dead ps2s we decided to tell the scene or release it (we need to decide). :D

[comsoft]

so how much is this gonna cost?

I'm in a contact with local factory to produce it.
the fix has lots of components ( 1 pic 4 resistors & 4 capacitors) so it will be a bit more expensive then the diode fix.

my guess it will cost something between 3$-7$.

[comsoft]

Any new idea is welcome. Are you going to release the pic hex code or are you selling the PCB version only ?

regards, Stephen

havent decided yet.
but i guess we will sell the pcb for good price.

we worked hard for it.

[Shapes]

Good stuff. Can't wait for the feedback on this fix. :D

[T07N]

havent decided yet.
but i guess we will sell the pcb for good price.

we worked hard for it.

It's hard to sell something that no one ever tried other than both of you.

[comsoft]

How can u say that?

There are lot of fixes out there that where sold without any tests at all and there selling like candies.

for example: diodefix, lm317 (v12 fix) and there is lot of variation of pic + diode fix.

we finished to make the fix before foundmy finished hes, and we tested it since then, so if it's not enough testing for u i would love to know :)

more then 100 installs 0 returns!!!! 100% success. show me a fix that can beat that!

[T07N]

How can u say that?

There are lot of fixes out there that where sold without any tests at all and there selling like candies.

for example: diodefix, lm317 (v12 fix) and there is lot of variation of pic + diode fix.

we finished to make the fix before foundmy finished hes, and we tested it since then, so if it's not enough testing for u i would love to know :)

more then 100 installs 0 returns!!!! 100% success. show me a fix that can beat that!

diode fix was released publicly and was tested, it failed.

I would never buy something without the opinion of a group of people first.

[gordy_au]

I would encourage you to release the pic file. you will have lots of people test it this way and get a proper review. Im sure you will still sell many pcb's.

If you dont release it then your going to get less coverage and chances are someone will extract the pic code anyway.

[summ0ne]

from my personal tests, only 2 consoles returned out of 50 AND i have found a fix for those 2 (they had degraded focus coils)

so that puts me from 95% to 100% success rate with only 2 resistors TOTAL.


your fix is appeals to those that like the appeal of hi-tech stuff like advanced asm code with lots of functions and attention to detail.

but apart from getting the job done, my fix wins at:
1. price
2. simplicity
3. stability

how come i never had a mecha crash in a v9 and coils burnt anyway?
without keeping the signal on the coils below a low limit at ALL times, i say your fix still has to proove itself on a wider population ;-)

[T07N]

from my personal tests, only 2 consoles returned out of 50 AND i have found a fix for those 2 (they had degraded focus coils)

so that puts me from 95% to 100% success rate with only 2 resistors TOTAL.


your fix is appeals to those that like the appeal of hi-tech stuff like advanced asm code with lots of functions and attention to detail.

but apart from getting the job done, my fix wins at:
1. price
2. simplicity
3. stability

how come i never had a mecha crash in a v9 and cols burnt anyway?
without keeping the signal on the cols below a low limit at ALL times, i say your fix still has to proove itself on a wider population ;-)

Very good points. Thank you for bringing us your fix, free of charge =).

[wmb88]

I think you need to convince the users by revealing some details in order to sell your fix profitably. A lot of people tried other fixes because they are free except foundmy one. I believe more people would have tested foundmy fix if it was documented.

[loy]

your own testing doesnt conclude that it's 100 percent u need a larger range liek introducing to the public

[wmb88]

If you think about gainning profit is so important then I would ask you why come to this forum. Like fundmy did, just go to your own web site and promote your fix.

[OttawaMods.com]

after using the SummOne fix and just having a mechacon crash (pstwo only crashed for 5-10secs) and it still working perfectly I think I'll stay with the summone fix installing both resistors. I like that it only costs $0.02/resistor... Pretty hard to beat.

[kgn340]

well ... you guys can either:

1) release the details of your fix in the Dev forum and be immortalized (having people test and suggest improvements on the fix)

or

2) release it only to production trying to make money -- and have it ripped off by some other lamerz and not be remembered at all.

why bother posting here if you're not going to release the development information behind it?

[comsoft]

I would encourage you to release the pic file. you will have lots of people test it this way and get a proper review. Im sure you will still sell many pcb's.

If you dont release it then your going to get less coverage and chances are someone will extract the pic code anyway.

I know what u mean.
But i hate to think about releasing my code ,and a chinees factory will release the PCB at lower price then what i get :(

I really want to release it to let u all guys use it for free, but on other hand i deserve a small fee (just a little) for my work (and altso albert35 deserve it)

As i see it i'll post the pic code for free after i'll have PCBs ready for sale.
so anyone coult buy it or make it hombrew.

please don't flame me for that!!!

Anyway, i'm about to release the installation pictures today (traying to get in contact with albert35 - kind of hard since hes on the far east)

[T07N]

I know what u mean.
But i hate to think about releasing my code ,and a chinees factory will release the PCB at lower price then what i get :(

I really want to release it to let u all guys use it for free, but on other hand i deserve a small fee (just a little) for my work (and altso albert35 deserve it)

As i see it i'll post the pic code for free after i'll have PCBs ready for sale.
so anyone coult buy it or make it hombrew.

please don't flame me for that!!!

Anyway, i'm about to release the installation pictures today (traying to get in contact with albert35 - kind of hard since hes on the far east)

Sounds like a good idea and I too think you could make some money off of it if you do it that way.

[comsoft]

T07N: thnx :)

Here (http://www.console.ombouw.com/v12/protectivecircuit.htm) u can find the installation diagrams. I've decided to release the diagrams even though it not the final version to feed u'r appetite :D

enjoy

[T07N]

Pretty complex fix. There's a higher chance you'll sell pcbs with that level of complexity =).

[kl1k]

especially fiddeling with all those smd caps. is it really worth doing all of that?

[comsoft]

Pretty complex fix. There's a higher chance you'll sell pcbs with that level of complexity =).

Complex but effitiont.
U don't relly think that all PS2 problem can be soved by "one wire" solution , right ? :D

[comsoft]

especially fiddeling with all those smd caps. is it really worth doing all of that?

Belive me it does, i know this fix is complex, but it a really ultimate one.
when i'll put it on PCB it will be easy to install.

[kl1k]

do you plan on selling your solution - or is it going to be open source? :)

[summ0ne]

Complex but effitiont.
U don't relly think that all PS2 problem can be soved by "one wire" solution , right ? :D

altho i dont know why the hell those caps are there, the 2 per input that u use can be replaced by just one per input (DOING THE SAME FUCKING THING as the 2 u use are basically connected IN SERIES!), which is already there in every pstwo BTW, but on the other side of the mobo.

p.s
u dont really think all your life problems can be solved by a single PCB, right?

i dont mean to be a bitch, but stop attacking my fix please!

[comsoft]

What the hell is wrong with u???
I'm attacking no one fix, and i respect any efford to find a solution to the v12 problem.

U'r fix might be a good one but not a perfect one, since it's not handelling the MECHANICS CONTROL HANGING problem, in which this fix does!!!

For how the capacitors work u should ask ALBERT35, but right now hes out of hes country. Allthough i got some understanding of what he did, i really think it's better that he will explain it, he does it much better then me :)

Belive me if i thought u'r fix is a perfect one, i wouldent do all this "hard to install" fix on everyone of my v12s.

i don't know, maby ppl can combine u'r fix with my PIC code, and maby it will also work great. but from our expirience this fix is and ULTIMATE ONE, NONE OF ALL THE 100 PCS WARE MODIFIED BY ALBERT AND NONE OF THOSE I INSTALLED IS DEAD!!!

[summ0ne]

well u seem to still be challenging it!

so when albert35 comes back, we can again have a little showdown :-)

p.s. i already have a whole article in my head, how the effectiveness of both fixes in theory is the EXACT SAME and how to compare them powerwise in the frequency spectrum.
im not saying your fix doesnt work, im just saying it can be simpler = it can be exactly mine ;-)

so altho yours is digital+analog and mine is analog, i can tell u the exact path incl equations how to complicate mine into yours or simplify yours into mine, given that their goal is to control the total power dissipated thru the coils. (which has proven to be so in ALL cases)

all i will need is the exact timing specs of the code and the cap values B)

[summ0ne]

Just tell me what is bad about a hung up mechacon.

Im man enough to admit that 2 of 50 went because of the focus issue, but that was what i was prepared to sacrifice when i posted the first idea about my fix, trying to see if the minimization to just one resistor would yield a 100% success.

Instead it yielded further insight: that altho focus power can be just decreased to 50% as opposed do 4% (tracking) it is still worth doing to tackle longterm degradation of the focus coils.

Now that i have a further hint to the solution, all i need is a track-record:
And as i figure, probbably 100 consoles already have the 2 resistors by now.

Only time will tell...

[comsoft]

summone: If a "who's better fix" fight u looking for, i don't want it!!!

U'r fix is simple that for sure. If it's working? no one can tell!!!

I know of someone who modifyed with magic 5kx+ 40 pstwos and only 1 came back, what exactly does it mean????? that the magic 5kx+ is a better chip? or that this guy has luck ??? we will know the answer for that only few month from now.

we choosed to make a fix that will cover all options, and to do that u got to attach the problem from all angles.

first we used capacitors to filter the spikes on the coils and all the noises.
and we also have a pic that listen to the mech control INT line, and when the LINE is dead which means that the mechanics control locked we make extra procedures to prevent the lens from burning.

U'r fix will reduce the VOLTAGE on the coils, but when the mech control is locked, to voltage goes up. so u'r protection will work great but for few seconds only, after that if the console will not be turned off or if the current flow to the lens will not stop then the lens will die without or with u'r fix.

I know it's a pain to inatall our fix, that for sure. that why i decided to make it on pcb for easy installation.

if u culm down , i would be apritioating u'r opinion on how to improve the fix if u think there is a way of doing that.

[cakcetin]

I think you are find your fix for win money.....
%100 solution is simple I believe it but we are cannot see it(same Romeo,matrix fixes)Because Sony already play with us(remember v9-v10 syndrom)
This is not a personel attack to you and your team this is only a think.
Sorry for my english.

[Ryoandr]

comsfot, summe0ne has already fully explained the theory behind is fix (He said the max current output would be reduced by 96%). Also he did this for free, and was open to critisism (constructive critisism, that's it).

Then you come and say "my fix is the best but I can't fully describe it because cheap chinese ripoffs would steal my idea"...Are you here for the money?

Even if summu0ne's fix is flawed (I don't think it is), he came with the right attitude; you did not.

[Emanuel]

Your fix is no good. The capacitors only filter the voltage spikes. But the continuous voltage applied to the lens coils is not affected. You should know that there are situations during normal game play when the lens is driven with excessive continuous voltage, causing the coils to get hot. In some circumstances this leads to burnout. And this happens during normal gameplay on some badly written disks, and not during mechacon lockup. Your solution can not prevent this.

[comsoft]

Your fix is no good. The capacitors only filter the voltage spikes. But the continuous voltage applied to the lens coils is not affected. You should know that there are situations during normal game play when the lens is driven with excessive continuous voltage, causing the coils to get hot. In some circumstances this leads to burnout. And this happens during normal gameplay on some badly written disks, and not during mechacon lockup. Your solution can not prevent this.

Most of the problems with the lens is all the NOISES it get from the DSP or when the modchip installed the noises are worst.

when this noises amplified it's getting the voltage on the coils to get high then normal. also since the Voltage on the bias is 2.2 p2p the capacitors reduced it to half - so u'r mistaken by thinking that!!!

the most importent think the fix is not build only using the capacitors. if u'll read the fanctionality of the PIC u will see that when a game running, and there is MECHANIC CONTROL LOCK UP after only 50ms it will stop all current flowing the coils and to motors by MUTING the RS2400FS driver!!

[Neil Stevens]

Most of the problems with the lens is all the NOISES it get from the DSP or when the modchip installed the noises are worst.

when this noises amplified it's getting the voltage on the coils to get high then normal. also since the Voltage on the bias is 2.2 p2p the capacitors reduced it to half - so u'r mistaken by thinking that!!!

What you say here doesn't contradict what Emanuel said. He said that while your fix does address voltage spikes, it doesn't handle periods of "sustained excessive voltage." Asserting that "most" problems are caused by the spikes doesn't answer the criticism.

If you're going to point to your PIC as a magic fix-all, but keep it a trade secret, don't expect the community to just smile and take your word for it, especially when you seem so eager to knock someone who published a much simpler fix, that would seem to cut into your PCB-selling market.

[gee-man]

Though i'm not extremely familiar with the innards of PS2's apart from installing a modchip, I've been fixing cd players for over a decade.

Voltage *spikes* won't hurt a tracking or focus coil. It's not particularly good for the pickup (which gets banged around with large spikes) but the coil won't care. What's it going to do, arc through with 5V or 12V? of course not. A quick "spike" will be absorbed and dissipated by the coil. The majority of newer CD/DVD players use digital control and pulse the coil with PWM "spikes" instead of analog control... it's not a bad thing.

Applying a *constant* voltage through a coil is bad, and from what I can gather this is what happens during a mechacon crash. The resulting sustained current causes the coil to heat up through I2R loss, and it burns up.

Solutions? either limit the voltage (summone fix) which limits the sustained current, or limit the current (LM317 fix, or use a PTC thermistor which is far easier).

Regarding this new "omg great new fix works 1000% awesomely!" fix, a couple of comments...

- the RC network before the RS2004, assuming it's a low pass filter, will smooth out spikes. But if a crash occurs, the network will pass DC just fine.
- If you turn on a pstwo and the mechacon crashes right away, there will be 1.5 seconds of current blasted into the coils before the PIC shuts the pstwo down.

Can a coil take 1.5 seconds of current without burning up? and what if the user thinks "hey, this stupid thing is fucking up" and keeps hitting the power button?

[Albert35]

Well sorry that I?m joining this thread so late but I was
and will be the coming weeks a little busy with the tsunami
disaster in Asia..

What I did is updating the fix install page you will find
here http://www.console.ombouw.com/v12/protectivecircuit.asp

In the first design where 4 capacitors used.
The 4 capacitors formed two low pass filters that remove a
lot of the high frequented noise on the focus/tracking circuits.
This noise is responsible for the following thinks.

1. Preheating of the focus/tracking coils during normal play.
2. Some hang-ups of the mechanics controller.

I was reading someone?s post that only 1 capacitor per input
canal would be enough and can say that he is wrong. These 4
capacitors are connected from the 4 resistors of 30K to ground
and can not be replaced by one capacitor between two resistors.

After a long test period I reduced the capacitors to 2 be course
the noise on the tracking circuit seemed not to be responsible
for the hang-ups of the mechanics controller.

In a earlier thread I described my way of testing.
http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29844&page=29&pp=15&highlight=Albert35

I did the testing on systems with the following configuration.
All system had a PIC installed to switch them off on a faulty
power up (mechanics controller hang-up).

1. clean no modchip or fix installed without disk
2. clean no modchip or fix installed with disk
3. Matrix Infinity installed without disk
4. Matrix Infinity installed with disk
5. Matrix Infinity and sumeone fix without disk
6. Matrix Infinity and sumeone fix with disk
7. Matrix Infinity and 4 capacitors fix without disk
8. Matrix Infinity and 4 capacitors fix with disk
9. Matrix Infinity and 2 capacitors fix without disk
10. Matrix Infinity and 2 capacitors fix with disk

All situations are powered up 6000 times and (lockup) state of
mechanics controller and PIC controller respons are logged.
When tested without disk coils where disconnected and simulated
by 5 ohm resistors.

The two really important things to monitor where the state of the
mechanics controller and how the PIC controller responded.

There was a difference in faulty power ups (mechanics controller
hang-ups) with and without a Matrix Infinity chip installed.
There where an even bigger difference in tests with and without disk.

With the sumeone (1 resistor) fix there was no difference (more than
5 logged) in faulty power ups (mechanics controller hang-ups) as
without the fix.

With the 4 capacitors fix there was no difference (more than 5
logged) in faulty power ups (mechanics controller hang-ups) as with
the 2 capacitors on the focus circuit fix.

Without the capacitors fix there was a difference of 2% in faulty
power ups (mechanics controller hang-ups) as with the 2 and 4
capacitors fix.

So theoretically the capacitors prevented a faulty power up
(mechanics controller hang-up) in 120 times of 6000 power ups. This
is in mine opinion to less and made me decide to not add the capacitors
anymore and relay only to the PIC controller.

In all situations the installed PIC controller muted the RS2004FS
before the coils burned.

[LiquidCell]

about the usage of the capacitors albert35 will explain it better then me but right now hes on vication in the east.

i was more on the digital side of the development.

but from what albert told me the capacitors tood down the voltage on the coils by half.

me and albert35 (and some installers in israel in which i gave them samples) where installing this fix for a long time, and only now with 0 dead ps2s we decided to tell the scene or release it (we need to decide). :D

in my opinion if you're fix is SO GOOD and w/ 0 dead ps2s on 100 units and up, you would release it to the scene. Sorry but thats just my opinion, thats what I would do... There is 2 Summone fixes, one w/ a 560ohm or 1.8k ohm resistor and one with a 4.8K Ohm resistor (ask him for the pic if you can't find it). I am goin to pick up a pack of 560ohm and 1.8K Ohm resistors today to put in the unit, and im picking up my MagicV KX+ (and Aladdin Advance) that I ordered @ the post office tomorrow and installing it when I get home from work. Also, would you care to show some pics of you're fix installed in any PSTwo Slim V12s? Or have you're customers/installers post about their ps2 still working. the main reason (if anything) of why the summ0ne fix might still not work 100% is if the end-user is using garbage media like Princo.

[kl1k]

all sounds great, but I think the real test will be when the 'public' installs this fix and we see 2-3 months down the line how many failures there are. Personally I still think I'll go for SummOne's fix - still waiting for my first pstwo to cross my path :)

[comsoft]

Hi albert35, good to hear from u :D
the scene really needed u'r explenation :)

[Ruebeman]

in my opinion if you're fix is SO GOOD and w/ 0 dead ps2s on 100 units and up, you would release it to the scene. Sorry but thats just my opinion, thats what I would do...
You could also see it from a different point of view. Selling a non-working fix would surely keep the customers away in the future. In my country, there are still many modchip installers selling and applying pcbs of the Matrix diode fix and the vandrunen V1 fix. I now know that I won't spend my money there.

[summ0ne]

I was reading someone?s post that only 1 capacitor per input
canal would be enough and can say that he is wrong. These 4
capacitors are connected from the 4 resistors of 30K to ground
and can not be replaced by one capacitor between two resistors.


Yes, not in any circuit, but on a differential channel - the /\V is the only thing that matters. So instead of stabilizing both lines against GND, u can stabilize /\V with 1 cap.


All situations are powered up 6000 times and (lockup) state of
mechanics controller and PIC controller respons are logged.
When tested without disk coils where disconnected and simulated
by 5 ohm resistors.

By not having the actual coils hooked up and operating, the mechacon can not get any feedback thru the photodiodes of the laser eye. So u have simulated nothing.


In all situations the installed PIC controller muted the RS2004FS
before the coils burned.

That is very good. But what about when the coils get DC without a crash?

[comsoft]

Yes, not in any circuit, but on a differential channel - the That is very good. But what about when the coils get DC without a crash?

Read the explenation of how the pic works, i explaind when it MUTE the RS2400FS and when it's not or UNMUTE it!!!

if the MECHANICS CONTOLLER is locked for 50ms while PS2 running game the PIC will MUTE the RS2400FS, but if after 50ms when the MECHANICS CONTOLLER comes to live (before the 200ms limit) the PIC will UNMUTE the RS2400FS.

It's a protection to prevent the lens getting current wile the MECHANICS contoller LOCKED and we continue to test it for 200 ms.

[jemico]

The new fix which me and albert35 started to work on couple of month ago is finished for along time, and after installing it on more then 100 pstwos we censirly say IT'S WORKING!!!! :D


Hmm when i look at the site from albert35 he said: he use this new fix from 7-12-04 (dd-mm-jj) so that is not more then 1,5 month's?!

If you think that is long enough i think you are wrong! And now you want to know why? I did more then 100 ps-two's without any fix and not ONE did get back! So it does not say that this fix is IT.

Do you remember the other fix from albert35? that was also the fix if we would beleave him at that time!? And case what? after a month he findout that his fix was not good. :cool:

So we have to wait to find out if this one is good.

Greetz

PS. sorry for the crappy english :rolleyes:

[LiquidCell]

not too many people are going to understand that comsoft. I say just get the regular pic fix (if you want) that resets/shuts down the ps2 when the mechanics controller crashes, and use the summone fix in conjunction w/ the PIC fix.

[Albert35]

To read some interesting information on how Optical disks
(CD/DVD players) work folow this link.
http://www.labs.agilent.com/personal/Danny_Abramovitch/pubs/hd_vs_od_servo_mat.pdf

Wrote by Sumone:
By not having the actual coils hooked up and operating, the
mechacon can not get any feedback thru the photodiodes of the
laser eye. So u have simulated nothing.

As I wrote:
When tested without disk coils where disconnected and simulated
by 5 ohm resistors.

When no disk is used there is no reflection from the disk so
there is no feedback thru the photodiodes of the laser eye.
See figure 2 of the document mentioned earlyer.

Wrote by Sumone:
Yes, not in any circuit, but on a differential channel - the
/\V is the only thing that matters. So instead of stabilizing
both lines against GND, u can stabilize /\V with 1 cap.

If you connect in this case 1 capacitor between the two 30K
resistors you do not have a low-pass filter.. As I hope you
will understand a capacitor will behave in the following way.
At DC voltage thru a capacitor wil not flow any current.
On AC voltage there can flow current thru the capacitor.
How higer the frequentie of the AC voltage how more current
will flow thru the capacitor as Xc = 1 / 2π F . C

If you connect a capacitor between the two resistors you will
tranfer the signal from the one input line to the other.
Resulting in NOTHING.

If you place the capacitor from the resistor to ground the
capacitor will act as a short for the high frequented signal
that is on the resistors line. Witch will result in filtering
frequencies above a certain level.
Read part 6 "servo Signals"

Now dont start telling noise figures on both lines are the same
and one capacitor in between them will eliminate them becourse
that is wrong the noise figures on both lines aren't the same
as you can see if you connect a osciloscoop to them.

Well I do not want to discuss the working of this capacitors any
longer as this is not important to this protection. The use of
this capacitors will not solve the mechanics controler hang-ups 100%

Wrote by Sumone:
That is very good. But what about when the coils get DC without a
crash?

In all the tests we have done we did not see 1 time a dangerous
voltage level on the coils at a moment there was no mechanics
controller lock up.
The only way to create a DC voltage level on the output of the
RS2004FS chip is to disconect one of its paired input lines or
when one of them is shorted to ground(when added resistors/
diodes hit the metal cover plate or ground surface of the PCB
or the 30K resistors got damaged by attaching a fix).

Wrote by Jemico:
Hmm when i look at the site from albert35 he said: he use
this new fix from 7-12-04 (dd-mm-jj) so that is not more then 1,5
month's?!

If from 7-12-04 (dd-mm-jj) until now is not more than 1,5 month you
have to start learning how to calculate.. From 7-12-04 (dd-mm-yy)
until 7-01-05 (dd-mm-yy) is exactly 1 month and until 7-2-05
(dd-mm-yy) it will be two month and the 7th of febuari is only 8
days from now so I'm using it for more than 1,5 month.

Wrote by Jemico:
Do you remember the other fix from albert35? that was also the fix
if we would beleave him at that time!? And case what? after a month
he findout that his fix was not good.

I think no one can remeber it becourse it was never published Jemico
And not afther a month I found out it was not good. Afther 22 days
the Matrix team came up with the PIC fix and I added that to the fix
I was already using. And before I used the Matrix PIC there where
2 burnedout lasers on 43 PStwo. I used Matrix PIC for not loger as
13 days and from then I started to use the PIC code COMSOFT has
writen. At that point our calander was on 7-12-04 (dd-mm-yy)

[summ0ne]

If you connect a capacitor between the two resistors you will
tranfer the signal from the one input line to the other.
Resulting in NOTHING.


Transferring signal from one line to another is what decreases voltage. That is how also my resistor fix works.

The inputs DONT HAVE GND, they have just the 2 lines:
Bring them together = decrease voltage.
pull them apart = increase voltage.

so putting a cap brings them together at AC= LOW PASS FILTER

[summ0ne]

When tested without disk coils where disconnected and simulated
by 5 ohm resistors.

When no disk is used there is no reflection from the disk so
there is no feedback thru the photodiodes of the laser eye.
See figure 2 of the document mentioned earlyer.

Still no feedback.

Because the 2 signals have no effect on the photodiodes, they just heat the resistors = no information fed back to the mecha
The media just reflects a random unfocused untracked signal, not even similar to reading media, none of the 2 signals matter - u can put as many caps - the mecha CAN NOT SENSE THEM

[comsoft]

What is it with u guys.
I worked with albert35 and belive me this guy know what hes doing.
All test where done with pro equipment not just by running the console with game in it.

U don't like the capacitors, put what ever u wan't in exchange, but i will continue to use it cose it has proven it self.

U can't solve any problem just by using one wire as with the romeo mod. this time the problem has to be solved with all aspects in mind. we spand (espatiolly albert35) alot time working on that fix.

If anyone of u prefere not to love it cose it's not s single component solution , continue with what u do for a fix, and pay the price.

i mayself, will continue installing this fix, and when it will be on single PCB it will be much easyer to install so WHAY NOT!!!

[loy]

We'll see wats up with your fix when it comes out. No pictures?

[cakcetin]

İnstalling your fix too hard and be carefull here people cannot apply only summone fix (they are blowing 303-683 resistor or pin of resistor contact to ground and laser is fry)
You are say chinese factory copyed our fix if I release pic code;don't worry they are can copy all of original chips,how they are cannot copy your pic code?
I see in all ps2 console laser,coil fry(v0-v3 exterior.This is started by v4; I see many coil value 1-2ohm or fryed coil with v4,v5,v6,v7,v8,v9,v10,v11 finally burned and smell v12)This is general problem on the ps2.Why chipped xbox and bad laser don't fry with crappy media?
I'm not a electronic engineer or code writer but why you search only for v12 solve?Please look old console why this event existence?Maybe can you see base problem and I wish we find certain solution....
Sorry for bad english,
Regards

[Albert35]

Loy If you where realy reading this thread you found the link to the pictures.. I think the only thing you do here is trying to look like a smart guy but are one of the stupid guys..

Sumone there can be to things going on here eighter you are a blind talking horse (like mister ED) or you do not understand english verry well.. I think it is both.
If there is no CD or DVD inserted in a PS2 the photodiode in the laser can't feed back information to the mechanics controller becourse there is nothing to feed back. I know you cant see or understand this becourse this is way to far out of youre understanding capabilities. But please stop talking abouth things you do not understand.


And for the rest of the people over here:
Install every fix you want I do not care for it.. If I look at the thread with pictures of installations a lot of the people do over here it is easy for me to say that most of you do not have the skill to install one simple Sumone resistor fix without damaging the resistor or create some short circuits... It's ok people I understand it a fix with more than 1 component or more than 2 wires is to dificult for you..

I hope every one is happy with the fix he is using.. I'm using the fix I made together with COMSOFT becourse it has proven to us that it is working..

[Shapes]

All I can say at this point is, more power to you, and good luck.


~cheers

[roro]

i think it's funny you criticize his english. take a look at yours (both albert and comsoft). improper conjugation and misspelled words all over the place. i can't comment on either summ0ne's fix or yours. i'm not trying to "sound smart" either. i just think that if you're going to make an attack on something... it should be something a little more valid.

.. but don't listen to me. after all, this is only my 7th post.

[comsoft]

i think it's funny you criticize his english. take a look at yours (both albert and comsoft). improper conjugation and misspelled words all over the place. i can't comment on either summ0ne's fix or yours. i'm not trying to "sound smart" either. i just think that if you're going to make an attack on something... it should be something a little more valid.

.. but don't listen to me. after all, this is only my 7th post.

What do u talking about, whos english have i criticize??? :crazy:

Anyway, When u'll speak Hebrew as much as i know english i'll waist a time on u'r comment.

[ingsebastian]

Why dont you post some diagrams, hex's or anything?
Or send some samples for tests.

[loy]

Reasons for what i say is because 1.I'm tring to tell people to stop bashing you guys. and 2. I said no pictures because the link is down error 404
Loy If you where realy reading this thread you found the link to the pictures.. I think the only thing you do here is trying to look like a smart guy but are one of the stupid guys..

Sumone there can be to things going on here eighter you are a blind talking horse (like mister ED) or you do not understand english verry well.. I think it is both.
If there is no CD or DVD inserted in a PS2 the photodiode in the laser can't feed back information to the mechanics controller becourse there is nothing to feed back. I know you cant see or understand this becourse this is way to far out of youre understanding capabilities. But please stop talking abouth things you do not understand.


And for the rest of the people over here:
Install every fix you want I do not care for it.. If I look at the thread with pictures of installations a lot of the people do over here it is easy for me to say that most of you do not have the skill to install one simple Sumone resistor fix without damaging the resistor or create some short circuits... It's ok people I understand it a fix with more than 1 component or more than 2 wires is to dificult for you..

I hope every one is happy with the fix he is using.. I'm using the fix I made together with COMSOFT becourse it has proven to us that it is working..

[Albert35]

LOY see post #49 of this thread and you will have the working link to the pictures.

And to RORO.. Yes my english is not verry well but what i ment by the words to SUMONE is that he doesn't understand english he is still schouting there is no feed back as I tolled him before there is NO CD/DVD so there can't be any feed back thru the photodiodes...

But 1 thing I'm happy abouth.. SUMONE has finaly confest that his fix is limiting the reading capabilities of the PStwo
Wrote by Sumone:
Transferring signal from one line to another is what decreases voltage. That is how also my resistor fix works.

The inputs DONT HAVE GND, they have just the 2 lines:
Bring them together = decrease voltage.
pull them apart = increase voltage.


Bring them together (using a resistor) = decrease voltage (reading capabilities)
The capacitors I used only decreases the singnals from of a certain frequentie and up and does not decrease the signal that is needed to read a CD or DVD.
A resistor is blindfull decreasing all the signal and not only the unwanted signal, it's verry simple to understand how a filter work but you must have to learned a litle more as only the law of mister Ohm

[summ0ne]

Albert, you are a degeneric fuck.

Not only did you not understand the thing about feedback that i pointed out to u 2 times. But since you said so much wrong stuff, i thought this one would be the easiest for you to understand, so i didnt bother correcting the 8 other electronical misconceptions in your post.


Just for the record:

Albert35 is one of those (engineers?) that are a very poor excuse for finishing whatever degree/middle school they have. He is the kind of person that does not know shit about what he is talking about. He might have been a little nerd in school and managed to pass all tests barely, since his mentors either felt sorry for his ass or thought if hes so anal, that he will stay out of doing anything creative - which he obviously CAN NOT - and stick to his little world doing only what he hes memorized (but not understood) and stay out of shit he doesnt understand.
But seems that hes been doing that so long, that no one bothered to stomp his degeneric shit - and now he thinks he can innovate the matrix pic fix.
Well guess what: All the shit you have changed does nothing good. And stop being such a hotshot infront of these kids that know better then to talk about things they do not understand. You should know better, Albert! Just because you know some electronic lingo doesnt make u smart.

My words obviously dont mean a thing to u, since you do not understand them. So fuck it. If anyone shows interest in technical proof that your fix is shit, i will give it to him. Otherwise i will do no better than this:

YOUR FIX SUX - BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED BY A DEGENERIC NERD!

[T07N]

Hmmm right now the situation stands as:

summ0ne does not benefit 1 cent from his fix he offered us. We usually just go out to the shack and buy the resistors.

albert and comsoft is offering a fix no one but they tested. They stated that they simply editted the matrix pic fix "a little" and they plan on selling it. I don't understand how little work could be turned into "hard work." But I won't go there.

summ0ne I don't know your reason for fighting these guys but maybe you should wait awhile and see if their fix is really what they say it is. If they decide not to send free samples to some of the respected modders here, then that's just wrong. If you want your product to be popular at least let the community test it out first.

[wmb88]

LOY see post #49 of this thread and you will have the working link to the pictures.

And to RORO.. Yes my english is not verry well but what i ment by the words to SUMONE is that he doesn't understand english he is still schouting there is no feed back as I tolled him before there is NO CD/DVD so there can't be any feed back thru the photodiodes...

But 1 thing I'm happy abouth.. SUMONE has finaly confest that his fix is limiting the reading capabilities of the PStwo


Bring them together (using a resistor) = decrease voltage (reading capabilities)
The capacitors I used only decreases the singnals from of a certain frequentie and up and does not decrease the signal that is needed to read a CD or DVD.
A resistor is blindfull decreasing all the signal and not only the unwanted signal, it's verry simple to understand how a filter work but you must have to learned a litle more as only the law of mister Ohm

If a certain level of DC applied in line for some time the filter is almost useless. If the PIC was very effective and fast enough in response, why the added filter is needed? The coils are inductors with around 5 ohm low DC resistance. But the resistance will surely increase as frequency increases. Only certain level of constant DC current or extremely high peaks or a self-osillating output stage are able to burn the coils.If so, a complicated filter or some kind of compensation is neccesary.
In fact, Sony already has simple filters in place right after the DVD controller. It consists of 1 resistor and 1 capacitor in each channel. PS2's from V7-V12 have used the same DVD controller CXD3098Q but different external circuitay designs which maybe resonsible for the crashes across V9 to V12. Filters used in lines for both tracking and focusing channels are all the same across V4-V12(not sure v3 and up).So clearly, it's the crash who kills the coil not the peaks of AC signals or so called unwanted signals. When crashing, DC voltages are applied to the OP amp that is configured as a differential amplifier and the coils then burnt. Summone's resistor 'pulled' the level of inputs of both DC and AC signals closer, so the output is lower: Vout=(V1-V2)/F. As level of V1, V2 closer, Vout is lower. That's why Summone's fix is the most closer fix in theory. Of course the resistor will reduce the ability of reading but by proper choosing its value there should be no problem at all. As to soldering skills, damage is normal as SMD's not designed for additional parts to be soldered on it's shoulders.But it'll be nice if those clone factories in China would produce PCB's with resistors of Summone's fix instead of the freaking diodes.

[summ0ne]

You are right, T07n

I did stoop low. I guess all the technical stuff drew me in and then albert pissed me off by insulting me (and others) - so i behaved a bit nasty.

I just had to point out that altho albert seems to know what he is talking about, what he says is incorrect, lots of misconceptions where lots of his statements are the exact opposite from the actual truth.

[comsoft]

Hmmm right now the situation stands as:

summ0ne does not benefit 1 cent from his fix he offered us. We usually just go out to the shack and buy the resistors.

albert and comsoft is offering a fix no one but they tested. They stated that they simply editted the matrix pic fix "a little" and they plan on selling it. I don't understand how little work could be turned into "hard work." But I won't go there.

summ0ne I don't know your reason for fighting these guys but maybe you should wait awhile and see if their fix is really what they say it is. If they decide not to send free samples to some of the respected modders here, then that's just wrong. If you want your product to be popular at least let the community test it out first.

Cnaged the matrix fix a "little" ? :mad:

Nothing is the same as the matrix team code!!!!!!!!!
Only "the" principle is the same , but the whole code is mine!!!!

don't know who coded the code for the matrix fix, but it was a lame programming that i can tell u for sure!!!

accept the fact that the IDEA of matrix to listen to the INT line to know that the mechanics controller is locked , all the code is differect , writen from scratch, and more effisiont.

my code control the RS2400FS not only shutdown the system.

marix code was lame!!! when it finished the BOOT testing for mechanics control lockup, insted of shutting down the console there was "code overlap" right into the "watch dog" routine!!!

the one who wrote the code in the pic didn't here about loops, he just rewrite the code over and over again!!!!

so don't tell me i've changed the code a "little" :mad:

[Durzel]

U'r fix is simple that for sure. If it's working? no one can tell!!!I don't want to pick a fight, and I don't even know summ0ne, but..

My PStwo mechacon has crashed 3 times - the first time when no fix at all was applied (just Matrix Infinity chip) the laser died within seconds.

The 2 times it has crashed since getting summ0ne's fix installed (only the tracking coils unfortunately, focus coils fix came out after I had gotten it back) the laser has been completely unaffected.

His fix works, it's proven to work. I don't know about your fix but I can live with mechacon crashes so long as it doesn't cost me money (which laser burnouts do).

His fix may not fix the mechacon crash problem - but it 100% fixes the laser burn out problem, and I have cast-iron real World (not simulated) proof.

[comsoft]

I don't want to pick a fight, and I don't even know summ0ne, but..

My PStwo mechacon has crashed 3 times - the first time when no fix at all was applied (just Matrix Infinity chip) the laser died within seconds.

The 2 times it has crashed since getting summ0ne's fix installed (only the tracking coils unfortunately, focus coils fix came out after I had gotten it back) the laser has been completely unaffected.

His fix works, it's proven to work. I don't know about your fix but I can live with mechacon crashes so long as it doesn't cost me money (which laser burnouts do).

Wait to next mechanics controller crash , and see if u got lucky or not.

I was testing a PSTWO matrix infinity. i manage to get the mechanics contoller to crash 5 times in a raw and each time it was for more then 5 seconds ( i think even 10 seconds).

only on the 5th crash of the mechanics controller the lens gone, but it can be cose the capacitors were connected.

IF THE PIC WAS CONNECTED THE LENS WOULD NOT DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!
since only after 50ms of inactivity (wile console running) it will stop any current to the lens and motors. and only 1.5 sec from booting it will stop all the currnent also.

but it was a sacrefies for testing!!!

[comsoft]

Albert, you are a degeneric fuck.

Not only did you not understand the thing about feedback that i pointed out to u 2 times. But since you said so much wrong stuff, i thought this one would be the easiest for you to understand, so i didnt bother correcting the 8 other electronical misconceptions in your post.


Just for the record:

Albert35 is one of those (engineers?) that are a very poor excuse for finishing whatever degree/middle school they have. He is the kind of person that does not know shit about what he is talking about. He might have been a little nerd in school and managed to pass all tests barely, since his mentors either felt sorry for his ass or thought if hes so anal, that he will stay out of doing anything creative - which he obviously CAN NOT - and stick to his little world doing only what he hes memorized (but not understood) and stay out of shit he doesnt understand.
But seems that hes been doing that so long, that no one bothered to stomp his degeneric shit - and now he thinks he can innovate the matrix pic fix.
Well guess what: All the shit you have changed does nothing good. And stop being such a hotshot infront of these kids that know better then to talk about things they do not understand. You should know better, Albert! Just because you know some electronic lingo doesnt make u smart.

My words obviously dont mean a thing to u, since you do not understand them. So fuck it. If anyone shows interest in technical proof that your fix is shit, i will give it to him. Otherwise i will do no better than this:

YOUR FIX SUX - BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED BY A DEGENERIC NERD!

That's is really low, it's seem that u take this fix much personally, don't u think?

why's that? is it anything to do with beeing afraid to loose the title of the creator of the best fix for the pstwo?

theres always a place for both of the fix.
ppl that dont want to pay or install a bit complicated fix can always install u'rs.

but ppl who go the skills for it, and wan't don't care of a bit work to just be sure that thay don't waist another pstwo lens, can always go for our fix.

[Durzel]

The lens went within about 3 seconds of crashing the first time.

The two times it has crashed since the console has been on for 20 seconds or more (I have switched it on and gone into the kitchen to make a drink and come back and realised it has crashed).

We shall see if you are right - but I know I'm not alone in my experiences.. other modders on the board have modded 100+ PStwos with summ0ne's fix, and the very few that have come back have been focus coil problems (which have since been addressed).

[Durzel]

That's is really low, it's seem that u take this fix much personally, don't u think?

why's that? is it anything to do with beeing afraid to loose the title of the creator of the best fix for the pstwo?

theres always a place for both of the fix.
ppl that dont want to pay or install a bit complicated fix can always install u'rs.

but ppl who go the skills for it, and wan't don't care of a bit work to just be sure that thay don't waist another pstwo lens, can always go for our fix.It sounds like you're more afraid than he is to be honest...

Afraid maybe that your "fix" is obsolete, and that you're not going to be able to charge many people for something that has already been fixed by someone who offered a fix for free.

Or do you think that your time is worth more than summ0nes?

[comsoft]

It sounds like you're more afraid than he is to be honest...

Afraid maybe that your "fix" is obsolete, and that you're not going to be able to charge many people for something that has already been fixed by someone who offered a fix for free.

Or do you think that your time is worth more than summ0nes?

I loved u'r respond :p

MABY I LIKE THE FACT THAT ALL OF U KILLING U'R PSTWOS WHILE MY'N R WORKING GREAT :D

and maby i don't want my compitators to sell pstwos with my fix in it :)
or maby i hate to think to give away for some lamers who don't apritioate anything a fix that me and albert worked hard to make it.

It seems that the best solution for u is a space rocket that can lift to space on helium balloon cose it's much simpler then building a rocket based aircraft :crazy:

OUR FIX IS A BIT COMPLICATED COSE IT'S COVER ALL ASPECTS.

a len can't be dead if for 50ms a DC voltage will run through it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tell me just why i need to give away my code??? cose all of u flaming me for making it? cose all of u keep saying it's a crappy fix becose we coulden't fix the pstwo problem in just one component solution???? u know what? even the MIGHTY matrix team couldent do that!!!!!!!!

F* this forum.
at first i was banished just cose i had an argue with <G> about clones. even though i was contributing to the comunitity as i can.

now , when we bring a new fix that all the winy ppl over here allways waited for, all u know is to flame.

[Durzel]

No one is doubting your desire to fix a known problem.

It's a shame that you are looking to try and get rich off it, when others are not. That's all I have to say on the matter - it's pointless trying to argue it any further.

[summ0ne]

Comsoft,

u said that when albert arrives we could have a dialogue...
...but when he came, he called me names.

Thats no argument, and sadly he nor u doesnt speak the languague of an enginneer.

I tried to show him some stuff, but he obviously does not want it shown.


So how can i prove to you that my fix is better?
Please answer...

[comsoft]

And i guess u'r modifieng modchips just for fun, right! u don't get anymoney for u'r service.

getting rich, u must be kidding.

Why don't u say anything about the BIG Modchip companies that really got FAT RICH of all those modchips? why thay not giving it for free? (hell free, just if thay lowerd the fucking price a bit. 3 INFINITIES = 1 PSTWO). espesiolly when there modchip is the one responsible for most of the lockups.

what is my sin, that i wanted to sell it on PCBs?
In anycase, it will be cheaper and more easy to install it using the pcb, so what's the big fuc*ing deal?

[comsoft]

Comsoft,

u said that when albert arrives we could have a dialogue...
...but when he came, he called me names.

Thats no argument, and sadly he nor u doesnt speak the languague of an enginneer.

I tried to show him some stuff, but he obviously does not want it shown.


So how can i prove to you that my fix is better?
Please answer...

It's a shame that insted of learning from each other, whe fight over our eago.
I can see that u and albert know of what u'r doing, but all this argument is not in place.

for any problems there are several solutions.

U had negative attitude for our fix from begining, admit that!

tray to get u'r remarks a bit with positive point of view next time, and i'm sure albert will also do that.

let's stop of all this "who's better fix.." fight and tray to do somethin usefull :)

I

[summ0ne]

Certainly no sin in that, but make something people want:

-a modchip
-a fix pcb
-a quicksolder adapter...

But dont expect to sell something that people can get for cheaper elewhere


And of the 2 of u, i respect u comsoft, because you are nicer and open.


trust me - i have tried what u proposed, and albert turned out either to:
A) not know what he is talking about
B) pretended to not know, just to escape dialogue and ignore my comments


You have to get my view - the ego is there, but not at number1 priority.
1. I sincerely think that my fix works and never fails.
2. When u said that it doesnt, i stepped - in not as the ego, but as someone that understands my fix well - and tried to prove it by showing that some of the better qualities of your fix do not come into question and the other ones are already included in my fix.

that is all

[Albert35]

I don't think Sumone put a lot of his time in the fix (that isn't a fix) he made.. Adding 1 resistor isn't taking mutch time.. It is the most simple thing to do if you will lower the gain of an op Amp. Everyone with only a litle understanding of electronics knows that.
He says that Comsoft And I do not speak the langues of an electronic engeneer... Well do electronic engeneers have a special langues nobody but them can understand ??? I don't think so.. And did anyone saw any electronic talk coming from Sumone... Did he ever published calculations abouth how his FIX woks ??? Did he ever published technical details why the FIX I made together with COMSOFT will not work ?? No he didn't becours he can't

What he can do, you can read in his posts.. Words like the folowing...
Sumone wrote:
I did stoop low. I guess all the technical stuff drew me in and then albert pissed me off by insulting me (and others) - so i behaved a bit nasty.

I think his behavior is a bit nasty becourse someone has comented on his FIX and he feels that the same way as if someone was standing on his dick..
He can comment on the fix I made together with COMSOFT in a technical way, and if he comes with calculations or other well explained details why it is not working I will not call him a blind speaking horse or what ever...

The fix (so it is called) COMSOFT and I made is not realy a fix it is a protective circuit for the PStwo. It prevent the laser coils to burn out on a mechanics controller hang-up. Not by limiting the gain of the op-amp (as Sumone's fix does) but by shutting the op-amp down completly. This prevent youre coils better becourse if you leave you're PStwo in the state of mechanics controller hang-up for days you're coils will never burn.. With Sumone's fix it only takes more time for you're coils to burn, it takes longer as without the Sumone fix but at the end youre coils will die. With the protection we offer we are sure youre laser will not die.

Not Sumone, Foundmy, Matrix diode or oure fix is a real fix non of them solve the problem of a mechanics controller hang-up. The capacitors we used only decreased the amounth of hang-ups a litle (2%) witch is not enough to solve the problems that's the reason why we made the pic controller to detect and respond faster to situations that are destuctive for you're laser.

[summ0ne]

I don't think Sumone put a lot of his time in the fix (that isn't a fix) he made.. Adding 1 resistor isn't taking mutch time.. It is the most simple thing to do if you will lower the gain of an op Amp. Everyone with only a litle understanding of electronics knows that.
He says that Comsoft And I do not speak the langues of an electronic engeneer... Well do electronic engeneers have a special langues nobody but them can understand ??? I don't think so.. And did anyone saw any electronic talk coming from Sumone... Did he ever published calculations abouth how his FIX woks ??? Did he ever published technical details why the FIX I made together with COMSOFT will not work ?? No he didn't becours he can't

What he can do, you can read in his posts.. Words like the folowing...


I think his behavior is a bit nasty becourse someone has comented on his FIX and he feels that the same way as if someone was standing on his dick..
He can comment on the fix I made together with COMSOFT in a technical way, and if he comes with calculations or other well explained details why it is not working I will not call him a blind speaking horse or what ever...

insults ignored, but thats just because they came from you, albert;)
Whenever you give me the:
1. delay for your code takes to mute
2. the cap values

I can give you all the numerical values.
In the end i can outdo you in every aspect. just type my rare name into AltaVista (http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=wrx&q=Dragan+Simeonov&kgs=0&kls=0)
OMFG - Bronze at the InternationalChemistryOlympiad2000 in Copenhagen, Denmark
OMFG - the InternationalPhysicsOlympiad2001 in Antalya, Turkey
OMFG - staff at the BioCybernetics LAB at the EE faculty in Ljubljana

i can fill a page here, but i went for the random 3. need i go on?


The fix (so it is called) COMSOFT and I made is not realy a fix it is a protective circuit for the PStwo. It prevent the laser coils to burn out on a mechanics controller hang-up. Not by limiting the gain of the op-amp (as Sumone's fix does) but by shutting the op-amp down completly. This prevent youre coils better becourse if you leave you're PStwo in the state of mechanics controller hang-up for days you're coils will never burn.. With Sumone's fix it only takes more time for you're coils to burn, it takes longer as without the Sumone fix but at the end youre coils will die. With the protection we offer we are sure youre laser will not die.
Hmm....
1. If my fix produces a lower voltage on the coils then during normal gameplay on an unmodded ps2.
2. And on such a ps2 the coils burn.......................__NEVER__.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
3. Then on a ps2 with my fix the coils burn............._________.

Can you solve that one, albert?


Not Sumone, Foundmy, Matrix diode or oure fix is a real fix non of them solve the problem of a mechanics controller hang-up. The capacitors we used only decreased the amounth of hang-ups a litle (2%) witch is not enough to solve the problems that's the reason why we made the pic controller to detect and respond faster to situations that are destuctive for you're laser.
1. My fix works and is simpler than yours.
2. The caps did NOTHING, they just slowed down the movements of the lens, decreasing the ability to read while still letting the DC thru for the coils to get 50ms of FULL LOAD before your pic shuts it down during a crash.

3.The only difference during burning of the coils during normal reading, is that with your fix the coils are burnt by a smooth DC signal as opposed by a noisy DC signal. They still burn.

-----------------------Bottom Line---------------------------------------
Your fix does NOT protect the coils when there is no lockup, which Emanuel already told you.
My fix on the other hand covers that as well:-)

[summ0ne]

NORMAL PS2==========================================

MECHA->OPAMPS->COILS->DVDR->PHOTODIODE->RF->DSP->MECHA

================================================== ==


YOUR TEST PS2========================================

MECHA->CAPS->OPAMPS->5ohmRESISTOR

DVDR->PHOTODIODE->RF->DSP->MECHA

================================================== ==


1. The CAPS dont influence the mechacon, because you were such a pussy that you disconnected the coils from the amp!

2. Why the hell did you need the resistors anyway? The opamps will work fine with an open circuit on the output, because the final stage amp is not in an electronic loop!

3. How the hell can you say that the caps in your case influence lockups??!

[SDU101]

Well with all this arguing and stuff, The ideal solution from all this would be to take Comsoft's PIC code, and instead of Albert35's capacitors use some0ne's resistor fix instead. Way I see it is some0ne's fix will delay the inevitable, and Albert35's capacitors only filter out the noise from the line. In albert's arguments he never enphasises that the capacitors alone will prevent or delay the burning of the coils. Now this is where Comsoft's PIC code seems to do the work, by monitoring opamp lines and either muting or shutting down the PS2. Now why don't we all be friends and combine some0ne's resistor fix with comsoft's PIC fix. Well you could also apply the capacitors too for filtering if it's really nessesary. Maybe you guys should drop your egos and combine your efforts for a more throrough solution.

Well I'm just a little potato who haven't really contrubuted much to the scene. So don't mind me if you don't agree to what I say. I'm only expressing my own opinion.

[summ0ne]

Well with all this arguing and stuff, The ideal solution from all this would be to take Comsoft's PIC code, and instead of Albert35's capacitors use some0ne's resistor fix instead. Way I see it is some0ne's fix will delay the inevitable, and Albert35's capacitors only filter out the noise from the line. In albert's arguments he never enphasises that the capacitors alone will prevent or delay the burning of the coils. Now this is where Comsoft's PIC code seems to do the work, by monitoring opamp lines and either muting or shutting down the PS2. Now why don't we all be friends and combine some0ne's resistor fix with comsoft's PIC fix. Well you could also apply the capacitors too for filtering if it's really nessesary. Maybe you guys should drop your egos and combine your efforts for a more throrough solution.

Well I'm just a little potato who haven't really contrubuted much to the scene. So don't mind me if you don't agree to what I say. I'm only expressing my own opinion.

This would be a very nice solution, if it was neccesarry. But it is NOT!

Let me solve the thing i posted:

1. If my fix produces a lower voltage on the coils then during normal gameplay on an unmodded ps2.
2. And on such a ps2 the coils burn.......................__NEVER__.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
3. Then on a ps2 with my fix the coils burn.............__NEVER__.

The coils are 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% safe with my fix.

So why go thru the extra trouble soldering all the other stuff?
Why say it doesnt work?
I dont want my fix to be tacky, i want it simple. And simple is good enough.

[summ0ne]

Since the first burnout on a psTwo... everyone wanted to be like Romeo - to have a fix named after him.

I am one of them :)

But to seize this position you will have to play honestly and do something concrete as opposed to low kicks and worn out solutions.

But if you cant even back up your solution with a correct theory, then the only thing that is left is to wait for your mid-life crisis to end, albert.

[SDU101]

Well I'm not saying your fix doesn't work, in fact I find it simple and effective. On my installs that I do, I apply both your fix and the matrix PIC fix. Well on a mechacon crash, you have to turn off the PS2 anyways by unplugging the power supply. Well since the Matrix PIC fix will turn the PS2 off for me (from my personal experience 80%) I might as well put the PIC fix as well. Takes me 30 secs to program a PIC, and 4 more wires to install.

The thing I want to emphasis here is not that it is really nessesary, but rather for PEACE OF MIND. Dunno how knowlegable your sex education is, but when I was in school I was taught that no single form of contraception is 100% safe. Yes I know it's a really bad example to use but I guess in this case it does apply. Well if there are ways to minimise the risks further, my guess is that anyone with half a brain would rather spend the extra few minutes to take the precautions than risk having a dead machine (or getting your girlfriend pregnant :D). Although I can't really represent the people that are reading this thread, but I'm sure thats how many of them feel.

[mikearama]

The ideal solution from all this would be to take Comsoft's PIC code, and instead of Albert35's capacitors use some0ne's resistor fix instead.

Good answer SDU.

You two (comsoft and summ0ne) seem like decent guys... why don't you drop the smuck and hook up? Now that would be a solution for the record books.

Having said that, I've used the "summ0ne" fix for about 40 units so far... only 1 backfired, and it was my install. I am proud to describe my laser fix as "the summ0ne fix" on my website.

[summ0ne]

haha...

well that might be so on your side of the atlantic ocean.

But here i charge 85EUR=115$ per install. So many people call with not only relevant conversations, but needs to chat. And being the nice guy that i am, i have to politely finish each conversation - so I got phonecalls coming out of my ass.

I already have a headset and have my work area arranged so i can watch TV while i work. But i have other stuff to fry as well :D - not just work.


Basically every second counts - 1 batch of chips less to buy, 1 batch of chips less to program, lots of enamel less to scrape, some wires less to dip in flux, less stuff to do while the guy on the phone wants to hear my oppinion of what is better - a ps2 or an xbox :P

[comsoft]

Certainly no sin in that, but make something people want:

-a modchip
-a fix pcb
-a quicksolder adapter...

But dont expect to sell something that people can get for cheaper elewhere


And of the 2 of u, i respect u comsoft, because you are nicer and open.


trust me - i have tried what u proposed, and albert turned out either to:
A) not know what he is talking about
B) pretended to not know, just to escape dialogue and ignore my comments


You have to get my view - the ego is there, but not at number1 priority.
1. I sincerely think that my fix works and never fails.
2. When u said that it doesnt, i stepped - in not as the ego, but as someone that understands my fix well - and tried to prove it by showing that some of the better qualities of your fix do not come into question and the other ones are already included in my fix.

that is all

Tommorow i'll tray a combined fix of the pic with u'r resistor on the tracking and maby also the capacitors on the focus bias. :D

although the fix with the capacitors work great.

sumone: did u tray to put u'r fix and get the mechanics control to lockup and see if that kills the coils, and if it does how long it take it to do so??

[summ0ne]

Good answer SDU.

You two (comsoft and summ0ne) seem like decent guys... why don't you drop the smuck and hook up? Now that would be a solution for the record books.

Having said that, I've used the "summ0ne" fix for about 40 units so far... only 1 backfired, and it was my install. I am proud to describe my laser fix as "the summ0ne fix" on my website.

as long as its interpreted as "2 fixes are 0.00001% safer then 1" and not "this doesnt do shit so we add a bunch of stuff" its fine by me :-)

[mikearama]

as long as its interpreted as "2 fixes are 0.00001% safer then 1" and not "this doesnt do shit so we add a bunch of stuff" its fine by me :-)

You make a good point bro... "if it ain't broke", etc, etc. Might as well just leave well enough alone.

I've recently installed a few M-7's with the built-in pic fix... still added the summ0ne. Better safe than sorry.

[comsoft]

as long as its interpreted as "2 fixes are 0.00001% safer then 1" and not "this doesnt do shit so we add a bunch of stuff" its fine by me :-)

so u think our pic will make u'r fix just 0.00001% safer ;)

Man, PM me u'r address and i'll send u a sample of the fix.
But please be honest about the TEST, ok?? :D

[jemico]

Short question:

what is the point of this fix: preventing of a lock up or preventing burning the coils?

if you ask me it's only interesting when preventing from lock up. (if not then the summone fix is ok and cheap/easy)

[Albert35]

Summone wrote the folowing:
PROOF of why you couldnt have seen if your caps affect lockups

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NORMAL PS2==========================================

MECHA->OPAMPS->COILS->DVDR->PHOTODIODE->RF->DSP->MECHA

================================================== ==


YOUR TEST PS2========================================

MECHA->CAPS->OPAMPS->5ohmRESISTOR

DVDR->PHOTODIODE->RF->DSP->MECHA

================================================== ==


1. The CAPS dont influence the mechacon, because you were such a pussy that you disconnected the coils from the amp!

2. Why the hell did you need the resistors anyway? The opamps will work fine with an open circuit on the output, because the final stage amp is not in an electronic loop!

3. How the hell can you say that the caps in your case influence lockups??!


Proof Of why summone doesn't know what he is talking about.
NORMAL PS2==========================================

MECHA->OPAMPS->COILS->DVDR->PHOTODIODE->RF->DSP->MECHA

================================================== ==
He is right abouth this...
But as I tolled Only with the tests where no CD/DVD was used I replaced the coils by resistors. so the situation was like this.
Test situation PS2=======================================

Matrix Infinity->MECHA->OPAMPS->RESISTORS
Matrix Infinity->DSP->MECHA->Startup sequence (without disk)
Tested was the way the PIC responded to failures during startup of a console without disk.
================================================== ==

I have typed THAT NO DISK WAS USED but summone did not read or understand it.
I olso wrote that when CD/DVD was used during test laser and coils where connected.

In simple words otherwise SUMMONE doesn't understand there where different test cases with and WITHOUT CD/DVD
I tested:
1. console startup
2. console booting a game
Two completly different test...

[summ0ne]

so u think our pic will make u'r fix just 0.00001% safer ;)

Man, PM me u'r address and i'll send u a sample of the fix.
But please be honest about the TEST, ok?? :D

Well given that:
-my fix is 99.99999% safe AND
-your fix is 99.99999% safe AND
-they control uncorrelated phenomena in the ps2

THEN
The net safety of the 2 fixes combined = 1-(1-my)(1-your)= 99.999999999999%

Which is 0.00001% safer :D

[summ0ne]

Two completly different test...

Thanks for clearing that up, albert.

I guess i have judged this one biased by your other shit.

[Albert35]

You simply did not read what I wrote...

[pele]

Its like this guys

SummOne have told everybody about his fix and that for free and it was cheap to do...

Albert35 and Comsoft don`t release the hex code for the 12c508 pic WHY??? you want to earn money on the code or what??...

Matrix team released there code for free!....

I cant belive that many have to make money on this sort of things like hexcodes etc...

Why not help people out for free and release the hexfiles so we can try it out,more machines that have this fixes more respond you can get on your code and how good it works...

Thats all hope you all can read my crappy english..

And to SummOne your fix works exelent in my machines with the matrix picfix....

[cakcetin]

Maybe Comsoft and Albert is right about trade fix.(This started by crystal chip)Look matrix diode fix every clone modchip maker and crystal chip sell with chip diode fix(here people give to customer for diode fix 1 year warranty!)Some people steal idea and win money unjust.But why they are not use summone fix I don't understand???

[EnTiTy]

he he with a little help from a freind both of these fix's aint here without outside help credit where credit is due ;)

you want my fix dont mod them, a theory here to puzzle both team's what happens when the crash of the mech causes an overflow overwriting the mech's eep does your fix cure this nope SCARY aint it but possible ;)

remember the crash is caused by the modchip corrupting the mechacon id fix this and your set for a full cure to the problem that would be the ultimate goal imho these solutions are just temp fix's but in the long run both have protential to fail.

damn i never got a name for myself for actually pointing out the original problem in the first place on v9/v10 it could have been called the EnTiTy flaw lol this is just being sarcastic btw but it's TRUE

stop being so egotistical its not a fix anything its just something the modchip guys cant solve they dont even know why the mech code cause's the crash
it's part fault Sony for having shite lasers that cant read media for shit causing undue stress on the coils or A CLEVER design on their part and part modchip teams for not knowing the problem but it is common across the board of all modchips which leads me to believe sony implemented it and it cant be fixed without board modification.

and fighting over basic 101 electronics lol a real engineer could make a modchip think about that statement before comparing who has the biggest DICK which what this thread has been all about tbh grow up people.

semi Rant over EnTiTy

[spyman]

Very true words EnTiTy.

For the theory of sony purposly implimenting the idea, id say thats right on the $. The majority of non-modified systems that get the crashes and mess up are not high compared to the modded ones. (besides the fact that some modchips influence the crashes). Sony also did something out of the ordinary by offering 1 yr warranty on the slim ps2, as opposed to 90 days like the previous versions.

As for comsoft, there are pic extractor tools out there, and almost instantly will you have your code copied by cloners etc & those pcbs will also be out there at probably a fraction of the cost. If you are going to come here to post a fix, post it. Otherwise you can keep the fix to yourself and enjoy it. You sound like a very nice guy, and you do deserve something for your "hard work". Sometimes that is just a lot of people praising you and thanking you for coming up with a nice temporary fix. (btw thank you 100 times over summ0ne ;)) Chances are you will still be able to sell your pcb if you released it. Just look at the matrix fix for example, its released on flex with the diodes, many people are buying them, why? well one they are uninformed that its useless, but the other is they lack the knowledge or don't want to bother finding sources that sell pic's , and they don't want to learn how to use a simple programmer , take the 30 seconds to flash the pic, and lastly they dont want to attach wires to the legs of the pic and to the board. The problem with your proposed fix is also that no testing from besides you and albert has been done.

I think as stated before a good "temporary fix" would be summ0nes fix + yours (if it works). They both do different things, summ0ne fix alone works well, ive only done 65 v12 units so far but none have been returned using the summ0ne fix. (thanks again summ0ne)
I will probably continue to just use summ0nes fix, even when your fix is released, just because its not very concrete at this time. Summ0ne fix Cost = very low, installation = very quick, reliablity = 100% from my results. There is one other fix from one other person that is being worked on that I will definately do when its available, Vandrunen fix #2 of course :)

In closing:
A true fix would be stopping the crashes from ever occuring. Everything else is just a temporary fix.

All of what ive said are just my views, so please don't take offense to anything ive said. You guys are obviously very talented in what you have achieved thus far, so you should be proud, and in a few years when the ps2 is obsolete you can look back at it and laugh about it :)

[Albert35]

PELE Wrote this..:
Its like this guys

SummOne have told everybody about his fix and that for free and it was cheap to do...

Albert35 and Comsoft don`t release the hex code for the 12c508 pic WHY??? you want to earn money on the code or what??...

Matrix team released there code for free!....

I cant belive that many have to make money on this sort of things like hexcodes etc...

Why not help people out for free and release the hexfiles so we can try it out,more machines that have this fixes more respond you can get on your code and how good it works...

Thats all hope you all can read my crappy english..

And to SummOne your fix works exelent in my machines with the matrix picfix....


We do not want to earn money on the code. We want to sell the code for a small amount of money to cover the cost we have made... I hope the fix can come out soon on a ceap PCB then it is easy to install for all and we will get back the costs we have made..

And PELE when you say that Summone's fix works exelent in youre machines together with the matrix picfix.. Are you sure the summone for or the matrix picfix is saving youre coils.. I can tell you it is not both.. If only summone's fix was to be trusted 100% you did not install the matrix picfix...

We are not even like this people
SUMMONE wrote:
Since the first burnout on a psTwo... everyone wanted to be like Romeo - to have a fix named after him.

I am one of them :)
If we where we wouldn't have called it a protectivecircuit but something like COMSOFT&ALBERT fix..
I personaly do not want to be remembered as the guy who made a V12 fix I'm happy to be remembered as I am now without that title...

cakcetin wrote:
Maybe Comsoft and Albert is right about trade fix.(This started by crystal chip)Look matrix diode fix every clone modchip maker and crystal chip sell with chip diode fix(here people give to customer for diode fix 1 year warranty!)Some people steal idea and win money unjust.But why they are not use summone fix I don't understand???

That's the reason why we want to bring this fix out on a PCB at a low price so it will not be interesting for clone chip makers to steel the idea and gain big money on it.. The Matrix PIC and diode FIX are being sold here in holland for a large amount of money 13.31 USD do you think this is fair???
You can check this on This site (http://www.jemico.nl/N_grp_11_11-1.html) scroll way to the bottom of the page.
They do not use Summone's fix becours without the Matrix PIC fix it is not 100% safe.

[kl1k]

My 2c worth....Feel free to ignore it :) From sitting on the sideline reading all this - when is it going to end. My fix is better than your fix.....
On the one side we have a free fix which has been tested by the public and works in just about all cases. On the other side we have a new fix out - not released to the public and not thouroughly tested and claims to work 99.9999% I have no problems with people making money off the work they have done, but in a few posts I have seen comsoft ripping into SummOne saying he does not know what he is doing. In my opinion he does - its a free fix and it works. If he managed to release it without knowing what he is doing thenI just give up! :)

[wmb88]

Ripping a PIC code is muh easier than ripping a modchip's code I suppose. Your code will be ripped for sure once you release it. If you have a proper marketing skill I'm sure you will gain from your fix with both money and reputation IF it's widely tested to be OK. You need to let the pubulic love your fix first then you are able to sell it. It's so simple. So far Summone's fix works great why people would bother yours? If you are so sure that your solution is the final one Sony will pay you to release your fix for sure as you've done something that SONY engineers were unable to do.

[lacyg]

mechacon crash need only 2 bites patch ...

[Durzel]

Has it been confirmed then that a modchip causes mechacon failure? I thought some people had reported laser burns on unmodded consoles.

To be honest, I am beginning to believe that it is only modded consoles that suffer from this mechacon problem. The unmodded ones, if they do exist, are probably just isolated incidents of a bad batch of lasers.

I don't think Sony would deliberately do this. For a start, modded consoles are easy enough to return to most stores where I live, and even if they are not it is easy enough to buy a new unit, switch the lasers over (good laser from unmodded with burnt laser from modded) and return the new unit - and there is no way of telling it has been tampered with.. the laser can be changed without damaging the warranty label.

If Sony truly had intended to stop modchips, they'd simply add circuitry/code to boot it to the RSOD in my opinion.

[minos197]

Durzel I believe that seeing the laser burn in gront of your eyes is more effective to you for not havinf your console moded for a second time,much better than a RSOD.If they intenionally did it,that was the hell of a clever idea.But I do believe they accidentaly did it and then by using simple maths decided that they could live with few unmoded consoles that die(The same things happens to car companies and people may die but all they do is calculate wherever the cost is acceptable)

Also to the rest of the guys.I think it is unfair to attack comsoft and albert for not releasing their fix for free.It is their right but they should also do a couple of things.Let the people decide if it is as efficient as they claim and stop arguing with summone.In the v12 scene most of the fixes went out to backup a modchip company(matrix,vandrunens,o2 fix) and I think they ought to release a fix since they explect to sell us their mods.BUT both summone and that new fix come out from idependant users that ought us nothing.So I do respect their decision to sell it as much as I admire Summone for not having any personal gain in mind.Please there is no point in arguing in either electronics language or the street language.Let the time be the judge of this.I also would recommnend that you find some people here,admins preferably and ship them a sample of the pcb so that a independent review or test be posted here...

[EnTiTy]

Sony's downfall on the modchip front is using a media format that they helped create for public storage means, they save money using the dvd format no royalties to pay on a media format they helped create.

the exact same thing is going to happen with the ps3 and blueray tech sony needs to smarten up there act and rather than thinking about saving money go the same route as with the psp high encryption on a proprietry format this stands as a better fight against modchip's think gamecube how long that took.

i do believe it's an intended flaw in the mechacon to crash on certain patching routines all tho it is random which could just be a timing problem on the modchip part as lacy has already stated and tbh he should know being a mod developer for ICE code it only take's 2 bytes to crash the mechacon which to me and you have to remember im not a coder just hardware guy the 2 bytes would be from a timing error of the modchip patching the wrong data and causing the lockup.

is the mechacon cached in memory before it executes the already patched code or data used on the fly, if it is held in memory wouldnt it be better to patch the memory rather than act as a parasite on the host hitting moving data in between in memory i know this method if it works like that at all it's just theory on my part would only allow booting from browser it all depends how the sytem calls are set out i suppose a soft reset might be needed and the memory being made write protected for a number of seconds to alow that new data patched in mem to be recognised.

bah i dont know im just rambling :P

but it would stop any sort of crash if indeed it can be done that way probably cant anyway lol.
EnTiTy

[lacyg]

no 2 bytes ... only 2 bites in one byte ... but i mean problem is inside new mechacon design (V9> : integrated eerom,syscon) ... mechacon + DSP is independent subsystem ... no need BIOS / RAM ...

[EnTiTy]

no 2 bytes ... only 2 bites in one byte ... but i mean problem is inside new mechacon design (V9> : integrated eerom,syscon) ... mechacon + DSP is independent subsystem ... no need BIOS / RAM ...

ive always thought the internal eeprom was at fault this contains the mech id correct ?

i have seen the same problem on 2 version's 7's tho which contain external eeprom and syscon so they work on the fly without any cache in mem self sufficient :(
EnTiTy

[comsoft]

Has it been confirmed then that a modchip causes mechacon failure? I thought some people had reported laser burns on unmodded consoles.

To be honest, I am beginning to believe that it is only modded consoles that suffer from this mechacon problem. The unmodded ones, if they do exist, are probably just isolated incidents of a bad batch of lasers.

I don't think Sony would deliberately do this. For a start, modded consoles are easy enough to return to most stores where I live, and even if they are not it is easy enough to buy a new unit, switch the lasers over (good laser from unmodded with burnt laser from modded) and return the new unit - and there is no way of telling it has been tampered with.. the laser can be changed without damaging the warranty label.

If Sony truly had intended to stop modchips, they'd simply add circuitry/code to boot it to the RSOD in my opinion.

Far ago, on the begining of all this dead pstwo, i was blaming the chip industry for not beeing honest while blaming sony for the dead pstwos, and i sayed that the Mechanics controller get locked while the chip patching the console. for that i was getting linched by all the guys that had intrest not telling the though.

(go back and read - i was known then as XcalibEr)

when a pstow dide 30 second after install, how can someone say it's not the faulty of a chip??

so unless the chip companies will find what thay doint wrong, we need a "smart" fix to prevent it from happening!!

[comsoft]

Durzel I believe that seeing the laser burn in gront of your eyes is more effective to you for not havinf your console moded for a second time,much better than a RSOD.If they intenionally did it,that was the hell of a clever idea.But I do believe they accidentaly did it and then by using simple maths decided that they could live with few unmoded consoles that die(The same things happens to car companies and people may die but all they do is calculate wherever the cost is acceptable)

Also to the rest of the guys.I think it is unfair to attack comsoft and albert for not releasing their fix for free.It is their right but they should also do a couple of things.Let the people decide if it is as efficient as they claim and stop arguing with summone.In the v12 scene most of the fixes went out to backup a modchip company(matrix,vandrunens,o2 fix) and I think they ought to release a fix since they explect to sell us their mods.BUT both summone and that new fix come out from idependant users that ought us nothing.So I do respect their decision to sell it as much as I admire Summone for not having any personal gain in mind.Please there is no point in arguing in either electronics language or the street language.Let the time be the judge of this.I also would recommnend that you find some people here,admins preferably and ship them a sample of the pcb so that a independent review or test be posted here...

thnx.
i'm in contact with local factories, the prices here r not so cheap , that i can prommise u , in this times i'll love to be chinees :)

anyway, the pcb will be cheap, and will be better then buying the components and building it hombrew.

my guess it will cost about 5$ for wholesale of about 7$ for 1 pice, and i think it's cheap. the pic alone cost about 1$ for wholesale price.

i trying to do it as fast as i can, and samples will be sent for ppl to test.

[mikearama]

my guess it will cost about 5$ for wholesale of about 7$ for 1 piece

Nothing wrong with the price bro... you'll probably sell tonnes.

I find it discouraging to read albert's criticism of summ0ne's work. I find it troubling that he throws around numbers to back up his argument, based on a poll that most of us ignored. And I find it disturbing that he cannot seem to give credit when it's clearly due... summ0ne's fix deserves better. There must be several hundred (or more) consoles out there with this fix in place, going strong. And I find it a shame that all this is coming from a dutchman... we're better than this.

[lacyg]

no ... im never said "modchip kill your laser" ... im said : modchip can crash mechacon by simple way ... and simple SONY focusing/tracing circuit is selfdestructive cause bad designed ... for example in old machines => V5 + HD7 + dust on lens = tracking coil + BA5815 dead in short time .... without modchip ....

[mikearama]

In an indirect way, MODCHIPS KILL LASERS.

From everything I've read/understand, the poor patching methods of most chips (ie, Infinity, Crystal, etc) cause the bulk of the mech crashes. If this crash results in unbridled voltage hitting the laser, and burning it, than it must be safe to say that chips are at least one cause.

[Albert35]

Nothing wrong with the price bro... you'll probably sell tonnes.

I find it discouraging to read albert's criticism of summ0ne's work. I find it troubling that he throws around numbers to back up his argument, based on a poll that most of us ignored. And I find it disturbing that he cannot seem to give credit when it's clearly due... summ0ne's fix deserves better. There must be several hundred (or more) consoles out there with this fix in place, going strong. And I find it a shame that all this is coming from a dutchman... we're better than this.

I'm sorry Guy but I do not and will never use numbers based on a poll..
The only numbers I used where from calculations and my own test results.

[Durzel]

In an indirect way, MODCHIPS KILL LASERS.

From everything I've read/understand, the poor patching methods of most chips (ie, Infinity, Crystal, etc) cause the bulk of the mech crashes. If this crash results in unbridled voltage hitting the laser, and burning it, than it must be safe to say that chips are at least one cause.Correct.

It's fair to say that if the mechacon crashes - it will burn the laser whether the console is modded or unmodded.

Getting the mechacon to crash is another issue entirely. On modchips (of all varieties) we have seen first hand that it happens.

I find it crazy to believe that Sony, who will have spent a fair amount of time testing these consoles for failures in various test environments (e.g. console on & idle for several weeks, console on and constantly reading data, console constantly being switched off and on, console being constantly reset, etc) would have missed mechacon failures on these new PStwos.

I also believe that the modchips existance in the circuitry causes this problem, and that it is not necessarily bad programming on the part of the modchip creators. It could just be that the presence of the modchip in the circuit, and the fact that in order to do what it has to do (i.e. circumvent/bypass protection routines to play backup DVDRs, etc) it has to force the PStwo to run in an otherwise not-by-design mode.

But then, I'm not an electrical engineer - and I couldn't fit a modchip to save my life. I am a programmer though, so I kinda know about this stuff - although not at the PIC level.

[minos197]

Durzel have you forgonten the pstwos that were unomodded and died??There is a quality issue off cource and a design flow that the mods make it more apparent.

[dirksch09]

Albert35 @

Posting your Fix with Picture and technical Features.
I will inspect them.

The summone-fix is not simple functionaly, it behaviour not linear but the signal-reduce by dynamic.

[Albert35]

To Dirksch09

Check this link.
http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/showpost.php?p=224591&postcount=49

[dirksch09]

The Fix is very complicate to bult it, but i think funktionaly 100%. Shut down to 200ms is obstruct by during the game.

I think, the tracking and focus - Signal to controlling with PIC 16f... , and lets running out the high pegel (resistor and capacitator) My Dream-dynamic-Fix !!!
And easy to install(parallel). No cut the pipe. The pegels to LS-Input is equal(1X).

[comsoft]

We just released the PIC code, please check out this thread:
http://www.ps2-scene.org/forums/showthread.php?t=32570

[aqua]

I'm no engineer, but my experience in modding consoles tells me less wires to the cd/dvd controller = burned out coils

v9's with modchips patching cd/dvd controller with maximum number of wires like magic 5 and dms3 gave me next to no returns, when i switched to mods that patched cd/dvd controller with only 3 wires, I started getting too many returns that i cn count.

So all this rubbish posted here from ppl who think they know electronics, must have no common sense.

Common sense tells me - DMS4, Matrix infinity, crystal, ghost, ripper3.1 and all the rest of the 3 wire cd/dvd controller patched mods are all a peice of shit sold at an extremely expensive price.

So use the cheap clones, they will cost you less and give you the same exact result, or use mods that patch cd/dvd with max wires....

[aqua]

this applies to v9-v12's only guys

[Gradius]

Clones = pretty hard to work like original. Don't believe it will works 100% fine.

I can buy Infinity for around $20 now. Still expensive for you? Yes, only ORIGINAL one.

Gradius

PS: Do not msg me WHERE I buy them for such price ! You just cannot buy outside of South America for that price. ;)

[EnTiTy]

I'm no engineer, but my experience in modding consoles tells me less wires to the cd/dvd controller = burned out coils

v9's with modchips patching cd/dvd controller with maximum number of wires like magic 5 and dms3 gave me next to no returns, when i switched to mods that patched cd/dvd controller with only 3 wires, I started getting too many returns that i cn count.

So all this rubbish posted here from ppl who think they know electronics, must have no common sense.

Common sense tells me - DMS4, Matrix infinity, crystal, ghost, ripper3.1 and all the rest of the 3 wire cd/dvd controller patched mods are all a peice of shit sold at an extremely expensive price.

So use the cheap clones, they will cost you less and give you the same exact result, or use mods that patch cd/dvd with max wires....

exactly your no engineer so cant comment all modchips cause this fault common sense does not always work in electronics common sense can point to one think but the fault can be caused further down the circuit.

and clones are another whole ball game and cant be classed in the same league ive personally talked to developers of both clone's and some of the major modchip developer's let's say this, most clone's are dirty hack's they only just manage to work and are not the same code as originals some are based on magic 3 source and code added for compatibility when a new bios revision is released other's i will not go into it's a long explanation.

and the thing someone said about unmodded console's dying blame that on burnt dvd movie's media is another cause that burn's the coil's when tracking and focus is lost more current is drawn to compenstate heating the coils the rest is history.

so modchip's are not the only way to produce the same end result.

btw most refer to the cd.dvd controller as the mechacon as this is the correct name for the ic.
EnTiTy

[aqua]

so you explain why v9's and v10's with magic5 and dms3 - practically no returns
v9's and v10's with ripper gold, mxl2 or infinity - large percentage of returns

same consoles just different chips..

just face it 3 wires to cd/dvd controller = mechanon crash resulting in totally dead laser

returns with other mods like dms3 or magic never came after 1 week or 1 month and when i did get returns in they had either dvd coil or cd coil burned out never both cause it depended all upon what user played most bad dvd-r or bad cd-r media so you right there this was not a result of a mechanon crash.


you dont have to be an engineer to comment!! I know what i'm saying all 3 wire cd/dvd controller mods will give you a mechanon crash on v9-v12's

[T07N]

so you explain why v9's and v10's with magic5 and dms3 - practically no returns
v9's and v10's with ripper gold, mxl2 or infinity - large percentage of returns

same consoles just different chips..

just face it 3 wires to cd/dvd controller = mechanon crash resulting in totally dead laser

returns with other mods like dms3 or magic never came after 1 week or 1 month and when i did get returns in they had either dvd coil or cd coil burned out never both cause it depended all upon what user played most bad dvd-r or bad cd-r media so you right there this was not a result of a mechanon crash.


you dont have to be an engineer to comment!! I know what i'm saying all 3 wire cd/dvd controller mods will give you a mechanon crash on v9-v12's

0 wires on the cd/dvd controller will give you a mechanon crash.

[RedSky]

In attach the italian translantion for italian people!

:-pray: thx to consolelab!

[Albert35]

RedSky thanks for the translation.. If others want to make a transation in to there own language feel free to post it here or send me a private message I will put all translations on the website..

[KaISeR-SoZEi]

-1 wire also produce a mechaconcrash, just remove leg 81 ( corresponding to U from DMS diagrams and G from other diagrams) from the cxd 3098Q ( IC605 ;) ) and see what happen ;)

[aqua]

TONY- where you get that info from the grocers???

0 wires = mechanon crash ... hehehehe

[EnTiTy]

TONY- where you get that info from the grocers???

0 wires = mechanon crash ... hehehehe
an unchipped pstwo ;)

[EnTiTy]

-1 wire also produce a mechaconcrash, just remove leg 81 ( corresponding to U from DMS diagrams and G from other diagrams) from the cxd 3098Q ( IC605 ;) ) and see what happen ;)

he he of course that can happen the dms utilises all the connection's remove one especially one that monitors the bus and you will cause a crash unless the mod the mod had internal monitor's that will shut down all output's on the mod when a wire is removed.
EnTiTy

[EnTiTy]

so you explain why v9's and v10's with magic5 and dms3 - practically no returns
v9's and v10's with ripper gold, mxl2 or infinity - large percentage of returns

same consoles just different chips..

just face it 3 wires to cd/dvd controller = mechanon crash resulting in totally dead laser

returns with other mods like dms3 or magic never came after 1 week or 1 month and when i did get returns in they had either dvd coil or cd coil burned out never both cause it depended all upon what user played most bad dvd-r or bad cd-r media so you right there this was not a result of a mechanon crash.

you dont have to be an engineer to comment!! I know what i'm saying all 3 wire cd/dvd controller mods will give you a mechanon crash on v9-v12's your saying practically no returns ? so your saying it does happen with these chips, the mod enable's you to play the backup's in the frst place putting stress on the coil's = the mod plays the part in all of this :).

your talking coincidence here and what you have noticed as an installer you dont have fact on how or why it happen's you just noticed a pattern but that could also be down to the individual and how it's installed.

i fixed this problem a long time ago without any addons comsoft will tell you i simply dont cross any of the mechacon wires from modchip to board this work's for me and most of the problems i have seen have been with modchips your saying there is not a problem with.

dms3 for one and i talked the developer about this when settting ps1 mode you could here the data sequence of scex traversing the laser coils now this is not good :(

EnTiTy

[anarchy2007]

Most of these crashes in my opinion are install related. I do the Matrix Pic fix on all my v12 consoles and have seen only twice that the console shut down because of a crash. The first was an install fault, I swapped W with T and R with Q, the pic turned the console off every time it tried to read a disk. The second time was with a Crystal chip, it did exactly the same, after replacing the chip it worked fine.

Originally Posted by aqua
"so you explain why v9's and v10's with magic5 and dms3 - practically no returns v9's and v10's with ripper gold, mxl2 or infinity - large percentage of returns"

I have had one DMS3 out of 189 v9-11 consoles with a dead F+T Coil driver and burnt coil. Not one of them had any type of fix. And not one out of 157 (must be 230 by now) with Matrix inf.

Here is a complete list of chips and crashes that I had up to November last year.
http://www.ps2-scene.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29250

[KaISeR-SoZEi]

he he of course that can happen the dms utilises all the connection's remove one especially one that monitors the bus and you will cause a crash unless the mod the mod had internal monitor's that will shut down all output's on the mod when a wire is removed.
EnTiTy


Yes it's true, but in fact I was thinking about unmodded pstwo with CXD leg 81 removed from pcb :)

[Chad08]

French translation of your doc, Albert.

[ZootAllures]

[QUOTE=anarchy2007]Most of these crashes in my opinion are install related. QUOTE]

That has been my opinion from the begining. After 100 or so PStwo installs with matrix, (G2), Muppet, crystal, DeeMS4 so far no failures. Some of these almost 2 months ago. Some with no fix some with matrix PIC fix. Recently I got contracted to do many a week and have been putting in no fix. Using muppet magic 5 clone. (9 Mech Connections including (A) not 3) I think it all comes down to wiring, Chip placement, proper grounding. I agree the mechecon can crash but will do so with or without a chip. And media type is also important.

[comsoft]

French translation of your doc, Albert.

thanks :D

[comsoft]

your saying practically no returns ? so your saying it does happen with these chips, the mod enable's you to play the backup's in the frst place putting stress on the coil's = the mod plays the part in all of this :).

your talking coincidence here and what you have noticed as an installer you dont have fact on how or why it happen's you just noticed a pattern but that could also be down to the individual and how it's installed.

i fixed this problem a long time ago without any addons comsoft will tell you i simply dont cross any of the mechacon wires from modchip to board this work's for me and most of the problems i have seen have been with modchips your saying there is not a problem with.

dms3 for one and i talked the developer about this when settting ps1 mode you could here the data sequence of scex traversing the laser coils now this is not good :(

EnTiTy

It's very logical that a bad install (long wires ... etc) will make lot of noises on the wires wich eventully will make the mechacon to crash.

[comsoft]

Today i've combined our fix and summone fix while installing pstwo.

I used the summone resistor on the tracking coils while the albert35 capacitors on the focus coils plus our pic fix for extra protection.

tested it and it was working great !

[pimouss]

toda rabba ;)

[T07N]

Isn't it better to combine forces rather than fight one another? =)
Thanks for releasing your guys' fix to the scene. I'll play with it once I have another pstwo to mod.

[comsoft]

toda rabba ;)

ein ba'ad maa. :D

[comsoft]

Isn't it better to combine forces rather than fight one another? =)
Thanks for releasing your guys' fix to the scene. I'll play with it once I have another pstwo to mod.

U absolutly right. we have the same goal and it's to make u'r life safer from dead lens :D

[EnTiTy]

Yes it's true, but in fact I was thinking about unmodded pstwo with CXD leg 81 removed from pcb :)
intresting il look into that see what leg 81 actually does ;) shame $ony made chips in the uk illegal i only get repairs in now and do no chipping :( so cant put stuff through it's paces like i used to.
EnTiTy

[EnTiTy]

Yes it's true, but in fact I was thinking about unmodded pstwo with CXD leg 81 removed from pcb :)

81 has direct communication with the mechacon D5 so the mod acts as a parasite patching data in between both ic's hmmmmmmmm makes me think.

i aint looked but does the mech have a soft reset function would be handy rather than shutting the console down reset the mechacon on the fly when it has crash save's all the hassle.
EnTiTy

[Albert35]

To EnTiTy

Comsoft and I overlookt the posibilities to separate reset off DSP and Mechanics controller.. It was not posible If you reset DSP than systems hangs course the chips are not syncronized anymore.. Resetting the Mechanics controller will reset the complete console,, and unfortantly if mechanics controller hangs reset is not posible...

From what I know when testing.. If you disconnect one of the lines D0-D7 from mechanics connector to DSP youre PStwo will not start anymore...(black screen)

[Verbal Kint]

To EnTiTy

Comsoft and I overlookt the posibilities to separate reset off DSP and Mechanics controller.. It was not posible If you reset DSP than systems hangs course the chips are not syncronized anymore.. Resetting the Mechanics controller will reset the complete console,, and unfortantly if mechanics controller hangs reset is not posible...

From what I know when testing.. If you disconnect one of the lines D0-D7 from mechanics connector to DSP youre PStwo will not start anymore...(black screen)


( It's again kaiser, guishi as parano as he is do not stop to fuck my account so do not be surprised if my nick change x time a day )


To respond to you, I tested one machine with a totaly fucked via ( D5 disconnected ) and the pstwo crashed in all boot attempt ( reset desactivated and tracking coil burned - first time - ).
The machine was not conected to my tv so I could'nt see if it result a black screen

[comsoft]

So nobody gonna produce this fix on PCB??
How come NEOASIC producing NON FUNCTIONING fixes such as diodefix, but don't produce our fix :(

I'm my self gonna order 100 pcs of it for start.

[cakcetin]

Hmmmm now neoasic teams in holiday but I tell about your idea to neoasic.
Regards.

[comsoft]

Thanks

[comsoft]

Hi everyone.
after looking into the code i rememberd something i've forgot to mension. (sorry long time have past since i programmed it :) )

the thing i forgot about, is that the code on BOOT only MUTE the RS2400FS if the tray is OPEN for 1.5 sec!!! not as i sayed before that it's MUTE the RS after 1.5 seconds from BOOT.

So the PIC BOOT sequence goes like this:

1. wait 1 second of dalay.
2. check INT for 2 more seconds, if not active then shutdown PSTWO.
3. if during any moment of that time INT was active the pic goes to 'WATCHDOG' routine.
4. if during that 3 second of checking the INT is not active and the TRAY is open for 1.5 sec then the RS2400FS will MUTE.

if u think it will be better that i'll change the code the mute the RS2400FS after 1.5 sec regardless the TRAY is open of close, then please let me know.

thnx all

[comsoft]

wel, what happend guys? no one willing to install our fix? no one want's to test it?
What happend to "release the code so we can test it..."?

we released the probebly BEST fix until now , and not even one respond from someone who really tested it, a shame!!!

[Albert35]

Maybe it is working well by everyone.. Normaly we only see people here who complain things aren't working... Now you don't see complains so maybe it works ok :)

[comsoft]

Probebly u right :)