can you get banned from playing online

[UWerOwNED]

if you have backed up games on you HDD but you aren't trying to play online with them? I was trying to play MOH: Rising Sun online from the disc with 2 games backed up to my HDD and it wouldn't let me past DNAS. It was at a hotel so it could be that they didn't have a fast enough internet connection or had a firewall or something but i was just wondering.

[Fat_Mike]

Games with DNAS protection doesn't play online trough HDLoader.

[thetieger]

you can NOT play DNAS games with HDloader online, nor can you play them without HDloader without soem modification to the game itself.

-Thetieger

[Artifact]

...and to make matters worse, if you modify the game improperly or use public IDs, you'll get banned as well.

[Fat_Mike]

Never heard of anyone who got banned except for some guy who had trouble getting pass DNAS Authentification after forgeting to turn his chip off with his Everquest Beta back then but that's it.

[UWerOwNED]

I wasn't trying to play any of the backed up games online, I have the actual MOH:RS game and wanted to try it online. I could get online with Tribes:AA but that doesn't have DNAS. What kind of error do you get if you are banned?

[espy]

It should have gave you an error code.

[_zaphod_]

if you try to play a dnas game from hd, it won't even get to initializing the adapter. so you have nothing to fear on that regard. you won't get banned for trying, as they won't even see the attempt.

YOu also won't get banned for failing DNAS because you forgot to stealth your modchip. you just won't be able to connect. if dnas is already locking you out, then there is no need to ban. A DNAS error signifies this, or the detected use of a cheat device. If you then undo the cheat ddeevice/chip and still cannot connect, you are temporarily banned. the ban will be removed later.

BUT if you try and beat DNAS, and are careless with how you do it, you WILL get your console ID permabanned. If this happens, you won't even get a DNAS error, it will just try and connect forever. at this point, yuo are screwed, and neeed to buy a new console. I can't say more without breaking the forum rules.

[UWerOwNED]

all right thanks guys, you have answered my questions perfectly

[Fat_Mike]

I can't say more without breaking the forum rules.

What do you mean you can't say more? Links or files in reguard to DNAS cracking are agains't the rules, but discussion or info about DNAS error and such are allowed. And like I said, I haven't heard of any bans from the DNAS server yet so I don't know where you take your infos about it.

[_zaphod_]

exactly my point. to elaborate more i would have had to talk about how to hack DNAS, and that IS agaist the rules.

But the bans DO happen, and as i said if it's one of those bans, you will just suddenly be unable to connect when trying to play ANY online DNAS game. The only way this is distinguishable from a network problem is if you switch consoles and it works. There's no announcement, and no warning.

A ban for cheating is only for that title, and is different from a console ID ban. And unless you are a repeat offender the ban will be removed with no action on your pary.

Even sites that do not have rules agaisnt DNAS hacking do have rues against sharing DNAS disc IDs. DNAs is actually a very effective protection. If you actually pirate the DNAS games, they WILL figure it out, and you WILL get banned if you keep it up.

The info is on a site I can't link to because it discusses DNAS patching.

[Artifact]

Certain sites with connections to Sony employees have made it clear that Sony IS going around and banning public IDs. Once X number of users logs in under a public ID (x = a number larger than the number of disc IDs produced for that particular ID), users are banned.

[Fat_Mike]

Well, that still sound like rumors to me. Seem like everybody have their own story about DNAS and banning. And I would really like to hear about that ''site'' with connections:P

But have any of you heard peoples complaining about being banned beside what website X and website Y told you?

[Histoplasmosis]

To answer the questions about console ID banning no you can not be banned "by console ID". But to fully answer how this works I can't discuss it on these forums.

[Fat_Mike]

You could possibly be banned by console ID, and why the hell everytime someone say something, they ''can't'' discuss it on this forum? As long as no copyrighted or illegal material are included, you are free to speak of whatever the hell you want.

[T07N]

Certain sites with connections to Sony employees have made it clear that Sony IS going around and banning public IDs. Once X number of users logs in under a public ID (x = a number larger than the number of disc IDs produced for that particular ID), users are banned.

Show me a picture of DNAS telling you "You are banned from Sony Online." on your TV screen then I'll believe you. =)

[Allenylc]

hmmmmm the banning seems kinda unfair.. lol..

for example a guy rents a game from blockbuster and gets the disk id of the game, then shares it to hundreds of people online :-p so when he returns that game and some other guy borrows it.. .. will he get banned? since it was a borrowed authentic game and not a backup. heh

[Histoplasmosis]

I thought discussion of DNAS was prohibited and some of the work i've done doesn't violate the rules of the board if I post but it is pretty much on the edge of the rules. But I did a lot of work with DNAS to try to get banned and I was unsucessful. The only sort of Banning that Sony is impossing currently is by DISC ID. If an Moderator would chime in or email me so I can discuss with them what I want to say and see if its acceptable. Or i'll just read through the rules tonight again and see what I will be able to post.

[The Maven]

Allenylc, that's exactly what I think about when hearing about these consoleID ban threats. Innocent people could get hit, so how could Sony ban consoles without getting into trouble at some point? Gotta love rental stores, if it wasn't for them, Sony would be going on a ban rampage. ;) Just kidding, I personally don't abuse the DNAS system.

[Fat_Mike]

They could check for the DNAS ID, then determine if it's a shared id. Then if the ID is a shared id, check if the system got a chip and if yes, just ban the console ID. The other guy who will rent that game wouldn't be banned and could play online.

[alechair]

like i wrote on another thread, what $ony is doing now is do not allow more than one connection with the same id, so they won't have problems with banning, but they also wont have like 3000000 people playing with the same id...
still no signs of banning.

@fat mike, personally what thespost ment with "we can't discuss here" is about that "id changer", related to another forum

[Allenylc]

They could check for the DNAS ID, then determine if it's a shared id. Then if the ID is a shared id, check if the system got a chip and if yes, just ban the console ID. The other guy who will rent that game wouldn't be banned and could play online.

lol... so if u got a copied diskid and was play'n like wit swapmagic u can neva get baned? ^_^??? :scream:

[alechair]

lol... so if u got a copied diskid and was play'n like wit swapmagic u can neva get baned? ^_^??? :scream:
totally agree with u...
NO ONE knows if you can get banned *yet*

[Fat_Mike]

I'm not saying that this is the way it's done but that it could be possible. And I really don't know about swap magic, but isn't there some code left in the memory or something?