Project External IDE ( Version 2.0 )

[game_master]

Project External IDE ( Version 1.0 )
http://ps2-scene.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24102

:headbang: Project External IDE ( Version 2.0 ) :headbang:

You guy say u don't want to mod ur ps2 case or the Network Adapter!!

Here is the answer ver2.0 well not need to cut ps2 case or Network Adapter no more.

Ver1.0
ATA\66 40 wire conductor IDE cable
pc power cable

Ver2.0
ATA\100 80 wire conductor IDE cable
small power cable

here version 1 pix

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v355/psxpc4/2e78ed4d.jpg


Some are some pix

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/psxpc4/DSCF0477.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/psxpc4/DSCF0476.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/psxpc4/DSCF0474.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/psxpc4/dfcd28f5.jpg

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[Hello_Kitty]

this looks cool but why is there a 40 pin connected to the Network adapter ?

[loy]

how are u pose to hook up the hdd externally?

[game_master]

how are u pose to hook up the hdd externally?

u guys miss version 1

here some pix

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/psxpc4/DSCF0411.jpg

[game_master]

this looks cool but why is there a 40 pin connected to the Network adapter ?

IDC don't come in 80pin so u have to use 40pin IDC than 80pin ide cable

[game_master]

anyone

[theskillster]

idc?
by the way whered u get all those ide connectors from? the ones with the big clips on em?
i cant get the normal male connector to BITE the ide cable properly :(
any suggestions

[HELLTICK]

use a vice.

[loy]

u guys miss version 1

here some pix

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/psxpc4/DSCF0411.jpg

I was being scarcastic to the post above

[foundmy]

sorry for the long delay/update on our (foundmy.com) ext. case mod, its almost done with our adapter so no cutting is needed, we are just finishing up a prototype for testing.... and will be getting them mass produced...

once the testing is finished we will post pictures of it... adapter willbe like $5-10 only.

[theskillster]

heavy! you must be doing post to UK im sure :D :D :D hint hint

[johnmerrick]

ATA\100 80 wire conductor IDE cable
small power cable

is that all you need to have your hard drive external?
like game_master's ver.2

length not important? where do you get the the small power cable?

:banghead: this crap is driving me crazy. can someone please just say what you need to make game_masters version two please. it would be nice if he was around to do it but looks like he's not :banghead:

:banghead:


john merrick

[agentboolen]

I too have been throwing around some ideas with some manufacturers ( with the help of <G>)to create an external mod very simillar to the look of the old external jap hdds.

[ps2modder]

that would definenitly sell like crazy....go fo rit agaentboollen

[importtuner]

I'd buy a kit like that.

johnmerrick:

You need a 40 pin cable to hook up to the NA first. Then the 80 to run outside of the PS2 and into your HDD. Then use a small molex to run outside of the NA. The IDE cables need to be 6" or shorter I believe, otherwise the results will vary. You can go online or go to a local computer shop.

[johnmerrick]

thanks, Import. :) Oh ! one thing, it will look like game_masters version two right.

I don't want to mod my NA.


and yes would somebody make a kit so i can buy it before christmas

:-pray:


john merrick

[importtuner]

Indeed. If you get the right cables and do everything correctly (Shouldn't be too hard really), then you shouldn't have to mod the NA. I believe just finding the parts and making it will be the hardest part of the project.

[moja]

IDC don't come in 80pin so u have to use 40pin IDC than 80pin ide cable

First, PCMCIA bus transfer speeds won't generally get above 12MB/s, so even ATA/66 is overkill. I mention PCMCIA because that's what the network adapter uses to interface the IDE to the PS2.

Second, no hard drives have 80 male pins on the back of them - the only difference between 40/80 wire IDE cables is that the 80 has a ground wire for each data wire, reducing signal loss and boosting transfer speeds along the same type of wire. I think the version 1.0 has it nailed.

But I don't say all this to be mean, just to clarify.

[zabolyx]

80 pin is for high speed ATA... um the PS2 is 66MB.... well within the 40 pin standard

[importtuner]

I don't believe he used the 80 pin so much for the transfer speed. It looks like he used it for the sake of not having to mod the NA. Since the 80 pin is thinner than the 40 pin. The transfer speed isn't an issue here. The 80 pin I suspect is then connected to a 40 pin ext. cable to the HDD. Of course I'm just saying this out of observation, I could be wrong...

[damdog]

Why do the ide cables need to be 6" or less?

[HELLTICK]

Eight heads says his works at a longer length...I don't no why.
I tried several different brands of hdd's with and without mobile rack and my findings were 6" or less.
Or hdloader wants to reformat drive or at game launch boots to a black screen.
maybe it depends on your NA model? or possibly the 40 wire to 80 wire assembly he has going on (all data lines grounded)?
I do know if you keep it 6" or less it will work and has been confirmed by others.

Goodluck!
:)

[moja]

After re-reading this thread at a more presentable hour :), I must correct my logic for using the 40 pin IDC. "IDCs don't come in 80 pin" - duh! Sorry for the confusion. :banghead:

BTW, how about using a WD Raptor with parallel adapter for SATA? :p

[shinji257]

I was searching around on the net and I found this. The guy making the external drive kit will probably be giving us a pretty good deal here. Anyways, Stonewall Cable is the only place on the internet that I could find making custom cables. They sell Male to Female IDE extension cables that can be any length up to 48". The only problem is the price. You can order one that is 6"

http://www.stonewallcable.com/xq/asp/dept_id.122/pf_id.IDEMF%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 %20%20/qx/product.htm
$25.98 + $0.12 per inch.

[importtuner]

I was searching around on the net and I found this. The guy making the external drive kit will probably be giving us a pretty good deal here. Anyways, Stonewall Cable is the only place on the internet that I could find making custom cables. They sell Male to Female IDE extension cables that can be any length up to 48". The only problem is the price. You can order one that is 6"

http://www.stonewallcable.com/xq/asp/dept_id.122/pf_id.IDEMF%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 %20%20/qx/product.htm
$25.98 + $0.12 per inch.

Ouch..... that's a high price! :headbutt:

[moja]

On the cheap side, why couldn't you put 40 header pins into the network adapter and just use a 6" cable? Probably sounds dumb, but you could rip some out of an old parallel/serial cable or buy some cheap chips at Radioshack and gut the pins. A bridged connection only needs to be made to transfer the signal.

[steeven001]

if i get a a hardrive case that has 3 fans on it would this be too much power to pull from the ps2 with the hardrive and 3fans

[johnmerrick]

import see you got Helltick's stuff.

Can you tell me exactly what helltick used and whether he modded his NA.

cause i'm going to look for the cables this week. At i want to be 100% sure what i get will work.

thanks,

john merrick

[HELLTICK]

You dont have to mod the na or ps2...40 wire ribbon and 4 wire molex will fit.
Just gotta work it a bit.
:)

[johnmerrick]

okay but could you get more specific like

is it 1 6 inch 40 pin idc cable

does it matter if it's ata/66 or ata/100 or ata/133

and 1 molex power cable

that's it.

thanks,

P.S. Helltick what about you buy the stuff for me ship it to me i'm in Canada and i'll pay you for your time?

john merrick

[ps2modder]

i used these wierd thingys, like connectors on teh HDD to connect the NA to a female IDE cable...i will tell you if it works..

[ps2modder]

if ti works then it will make teh mod so easy adn affordable, and also is there any way to make the cable work 6in's or more?? why do you think this happens?

[game_master]

how many people want to buy this ?

[johnmerrick]

I do(version two)!!!

And man where have you been!?

I'm not going to be around much today so game master if you are selling the kit
I want one to make the version 2 and i'm in Canada. PM me the total not sure if you're in US but say the currency US,AUS, pounds,etc
when you tell me the price. Also I'D LIKE REGISTERED MAIL(person has to sign for it). don't want this thing going somewhere else.

thanks,

john merrick

[johnmerrick]

hey what is the difference between an idc cable and an ide cable?

Also got a 4 pin molex from a old pc are they all male to female ? if not how can you tell?

thanks,


john merrick

[Dozaiya]

idc is just how they call the connector part of an ide cable
if the connector of ure molex has pins instead of sockets then its male

[game_master]

People I work at a company that we build video stuff and I can make those cable for cheap if I can sell 100 pieces.

[moja]

Question, can you substantiate any claims as to performance of using an 80 wire ribbon (DMA/66/100/133) versus a 40 wire (DMA/33)? I don't have access to a gender changer, but would like to run some tests. After researching the PCMCIA interface, it would appear it is a standard type-III, and operating at 150MB/s bus speed (according to an online spec sheet). So if there were a way to hook the 80 wire straight to the NA, then it would be just like plugging the HD straight in. Plus perhaps the cable could be longer since there are complementing ground wires.

I guess my point is, I can see this excellent idea turn into something like the xbox's extender (unless it's probably already been done), but I would like to see no loss in data transfer rates (ie. no drawbacks to this method). :chinscrat

[johnmerrick]

100 pieces? Any chance you can make one for me?

just need to know the price 'cause if not i'll look else where just want it before christmas.

P.S.

thanks, Dozaiya



john merrick

[yahooadam]

Sounds interesting

Would be an intersting idea to build a caddy onto the top and hard wire it into the NA (like screwing it on the top and running the cable into the hdd cage (thru a hole in the top))

Then you could even put your modded multi-tap next to it :P

with the switches ;)

[damdog]

After weeks of messing with this I think I've got it. Since your gender changer is olny 40 wire you need to make it as short as possible. You DO lose signal! I tried just using a 40 wire extension cable to connect to the hdd. I started at 24" and went down. As the cable got shorter the signal got better but my cable got to short for what I wanted to do.
I found another 40 pin male end and made a gender changer a little over an inch long. I hooked a 80 wire(standard) ide cable to it and BINGO! I am building case with two HDD. I can select the one I want to run with a switch. Hope to have pics around Christmas. You can find male 40 pin connectors here: http://www.dataaccessories.com/idc.html Two male connectors and some old 40 wire cable you have laying around and you can make you own gender changer. Just keep it short!

[HELLTICK]

Nice...what was the length of the 40 wire ide between NA/1" gender changer/ HDD...I hear the 80 wire (all data lines grounded) seems to help with cable length...I can't confirm this...as I only need 6" of 40 wire ide ribbon for my particular setup...I would really like to see a pic or link to this 1" gender changer...If one could get 12" of ribbon..One could easily install a 'removable hdd rack' in the stock Ps2 case..ejecting from the original expansion bay!
:)

[damdog]

This is a pic of my gender changer and a couple of pics of my dual casehttp://www.geocities.com/dcurttright/hdd-1.jpg http://www.geocities.com/dcurttright/hdd-17.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/dcurttright/hdd-18.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/dcurttright/hdd-19.jpg

Works great I just select which drive I to run before I powerup my PS.

[johnmerrick]

any mobile rack will do right? doesn't have to be a vantec could be kingwin?


thanks,


john merrick

[damdog]

Rack manf shouldn't matter. It would be nice if it had a fan. I used a regular computer fan powered by a transformer from an old router.
http://www.geocities.com/dcurttright/hdd-13.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/dcurttright/hdd-16.jpg

[cheatinpete]

I'd buy the v2 kit so please make them and damdog that looks amazing

[yahooadam]

[QUOTE=damdog]Rack manf shouldn't matter. It would be nice if it had a fan. I used a regular computer fan powered by a transformer from an old router.[QUOTE]
dont suppose you could update those links so we could see teh pic ?

[cheatinpete]

they show up just fine

[yahooadam]

they show up just fine
sorry bout that

Geocities has been down for bout 10 mins

Not ure fault

i can see them now ;)

Very nice, but why do the 2 power connectors come out the back, and where does the ide cable go ?

[damdog]

Pics were taken before I slide the hdds' in. I have a power connector for each Hdd. I might take a few more pics with hdds' in and a better pic of the fan switch. It was suppose to light up but it's a 120v AC switch and I've got about 12v DC going to it.
And thanks pete, I am please with the way it turned out. It took quit a bit of time(most at work ;). It was pretty easy after I got the male adapter figured out.

[cheatinpete]

the work really shows, Im gonna attempt a project along those lines once I buy some others things that I need ps2 goes last lol. But I plan to add a nice external HDD case with temp monitoring and possibly not sure about this but have the case be able to use IDE and USB at the same time so It can be hooked up to the pc/ps2 at same time. That way I can transfer some ISO's of my backups without having to swap. Since Ive been out of the scene for so long I still gotta get some facts straight like with the 48bit patch if it really works as they say then im getting me this nice little 200gig Seagate (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-032&depa=1) for under $125 :)

[damdog]

Sounds good. Keep us upto date. I sure you have check compatibility of the drive. The seagate I got wouldn't work had to take it back. I think it was 160GB. Looking for a new project after the holiday. Have you seen Helltick's stuff? AMAZING!

[cheatinpete]

I dont believe I have :-/ yea I gotta check if its compadble but the seagate beat a 10,000RPM WD in soem test! so its a good buy for the price

[yahooadam]

I dont believe I have :-/ yea I gotta check if its compadble but the seagate beat a 10,000RPM WD in soem test! so its a good buy for the price
dont suppose you could post the pics of the ext case with hdd's in cos i dont understand how its ment to work :S

it does look rly cool and its a nice way to do it

Also whats that block on the bottom of your ps2, where the 1st controller port is and over the usb ports :S

[johnmerrick]

Do you thing taping down my vantec rack to the ps2 with insulation tape would stop the cooling of the hard drive?

and does the air come in from the front- really not that clear when you look at it(rack)?

thanks,

john merrick

[damdog]

The Hard drive is selected by the switch in the front. The molex connector as 4 wires 12 volt+ 12- 5- 5+. The I just control which hd gets the power by the switch. One side of the switch controls 5 volt the other 12 volt. DPDT (double post double throw? i think) Fan switch is a plain old SPST. The block in the front of my ps is the reciever for my wireless controler. The air is blown in by the fan and exits out of the holes I drilled above the top hd and around the sony hd in the back.
http://www.geocities.com/dcurttright/Hdd-11.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/dcurttright/Hdd-22.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/dcurttright/Hdd-21.JPG

[damdog]

Do you thing taping down my vantec rack to the ps2 with insulation tape would stop the cooling of the hard drive?

Shouldn't. Does the Vantec rack have a fan?

[importtuner]

Holy crap that looks sweet! Wow, haven't been here for awhile. What a thing to see when I finally do wander here. Amazing...... keep up the work!

Vantec rack has a fan. ;)

[yahooadam]

how does the ide cable work

is it plugged into both hdd's which are both masters but only one is powered (using that hdd selector switch) ?

[johnmerrick]

yeap! vantec has a fan.

I think i should be alright.

thanks,

john merrick

[damdog]

is it plugged into both hdd's which are both masters but only one is powered (using that hdd selector switch) ?

Yep! That's it. It in just a regular 80 wire IDE cable.

[game_master]

There will be a better version of my Project, coming soon and is for Sale. My company is helping me making it, Price will be $30 each thats with flat Power cable and a new and better version of the flat IDE. I will have Pic soon, I will take pre order as soon as I post the pix.

Flat power Cable
Flat IDE
No need to cut Network Adaptor
Only for $30

Shipping is depend where is ship to.

[Hesei]

that's really great what you're doing here. I did something like this a while ago, but only like that first version. Can't wait to place an order. I was just curious though, if this is all possible with 2 hdd's alone, what about adding a removable drive rack system (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=list&catalog=43&DEPA=0)? like set up the hdd enclosure to fit one, two, or three (http://208.34.209.68/411gb/) hdds that are swapable? It may seem odd, but I already have 2 hdd's for all my games and I'm sure some people have more, so it just sounds like a nice addition.
I keep seeing talk of it. but is this something people need? or am one of those "few" that need more than one hdd?

[game_master]

Here we have my final version is flat and no need to mod or cut case or network adapter. Ver3.0

Orders are now taken
Paypal.com Kly25@sprinpcs.com

$30 flat IDE & power
$5 shipping

$10 shipping ouside of USA



Ver1.0
ATA\66 40 wire conductor IDE cable
pc power cable

Ver2.0
ATA\100 80 wire conductor IDE cable
small power cable

Ver3.0
Flat Cable IDE Male & Female
Flat power Cable
Was test and no Problem

Here are some pix down here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/ef8si91/DSCF1207.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/ef8si91/DSCF1211.jpg
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[Dozaiya]

looks great, but the color of those cable is..uh....

[cheatinpete]

wow looks awsome! will buy when i gots the money

[weeman666]

just a question why an external hdd? i figure its for quick hdd switching between ps2's but i just think it looks cleaner inside and for the cleaner look i sacrifise fast swaping but it only takes what like a second or 2 to get it out?

[HELLTICK]

That is very cool man...Goodwork!

[johnmerrick]

It's for those who are concerned about overheating of the hard drive.

P.S. just like to say thanks to helltick and game master:my external hard drive works.

john merrick

[weeman666]

It's for those who are concerned about overheating of the hard drive.


good point, anyways, i was wondering where you dont those flat molex and flat grounded ide cables at? thanks.

[game_master]

We make it in my company that I work in.

[yahooadam]

dude that is sweet

i may get one ... but i would have to find a caddy or somming ;)