Don't Rip is my advice

[charlie_ps2]

I fully expect to be ignored since ripping is the perceived way out for those without DVD-R burners but ...

How the hell are you gonna squeeze 4.5 GB onto a 650 MB CD-R given that the movies that you have to remove are an integral part of game play?

If you do rip, remember, the order in which you set out the files on the CD is important in limiting disk drive wear. You should try to make the files lie in their order of access. The better rip kits take this into account. Most don't and the disk drive gets hammered and sometimes visual frames can't keep up with the actual game play (mirroe effect).

Good luck and do feel free to buy aPioneer A03/A04 and avoid this time consuming waste of effort!!

[tonygt]

hi i need to know what program can i use with my A04 to burn playstation2 games

[charlie_ps2]

The tutorials are to be put up on this site. In the meantime, you can visit www.psxcoppyworld.co.uk for PrimoDVD and Neor sioftware and tutorials.

[Bigtime5000]

Try using Nero, it works fine for me, I am using a Pioneer-A04
Not had a single one not work yet

[tonygt]

thank you for replying i am also do you need to chip your playstation to be able to work

[Bigtime5000]

You certainly will do, I have the Messiah chip which seems to be the best all rounder. No disk swopping required.

p.s Some advice if u get one dont attemp to install it yourself, unless u are good with a soldering iron. :)

[SomeGuy]

Charlie's right, but for those of us that don't have the money to spend on a dvd burner especially after shelling out for the Ps2 and chip rips are the solution. Some rips are very good like Test Drive that just came out from bitman, Mr. Ed and Snoop. It's a 5 cd rip which leaves you with about 2.7gigs of a 3.6 gig game. It is still very playable even spread across 5 cd's

[RAISTLIN]

Good God man---I got better things to do with my time. It takes 6 hrs just to rip a DVD movie to VCD in good quality Audio/Video on a high power workstation. And you want to Rip, Dissasemble, split, reduce, stitch, insert, recompile......with 5 of them???!!!!!

Are you Sadistic, or Masochistic? Jeesh--I'd just go buy a previously played copy from a rental store--can get them for about the same value.

By the way--Pioneer A104's are going for less then $260 Retail on the web (w/ shipping) in the US, and DVD-R blanks can be bought for less then $3 also--even better in bulk. And how much did it cost for your CD burner, media, cost of energy to run your PC all night for 5 nights?.........hmm...might want to rethink that budget again.....

Good Luck!

Raist

[SomeGuy]

:p Well a DVD burner is on my wish list but it's not a priority in my life right now. I live in a small isolated town and the local (mom&pop) video store doesn't sell off thier video games until they are no longer desirable. As far as the cost of running a PC you're a bit off base there. If I ran it 12 hrs a day for a month I'd cost me about $10 Cdn.

[RAISTLIN]

It is basically can be an effort in futility--and can be at a high cost, depending on your priorities. You tie up your system for forever and a day.......you create a lovely new designer line of coasters....you put undo stress on your drives.....the potential list of costs can snowball exponentially. Just do the basic math. How many failed CDS's can potentially be lost, and at what cost--versus the success rate of a DVD and it's cost. Even buying in bulk, 5 CDR's can cost about $1.50 (unless there is shipping involved), and in bulk, a DVD-R can cost ---guess what--about $1.50 each also. You have one failed set of CD-R's, and you've spent double the cost on the media, had your machine running for....oohhhh......20 times as long, lost about a week of useful time on your PC, not to mention if you log into the forums asking for help.....again it snowballs. The drives are really not that bad of an investment. Especially when you can--as I said earlier--get them for $260 or less w/ shipping. As of this posting, I saw a few for $251 with free shipping. Heck, you can get the Pioneer's for $269 plus $10-$15 shipping on ebay with Buy-It-Now. How much was a CD-RW drive last year?

Really....in contrast, the DVD-R is not all that expensive......it all depends how you measure the value......

Raist

[SomeGuy]

Yeah, no argument here, but that still isn't going to $269 in my bank account. Plus I live in Canada, the land of getting taxed out your a$$. So that $269 tranlates into $474 (including taxes).I'd sort of like to wait a bit more too because I want to see what the X-Box will require for burning technolodgy or if some DVD burner will prove to work best for the X in the near future.

If you'd like to donate me a DVD burner, we will never speak of this again.:lol:

[SledDog]

Raistlin, I think you misunderstood SomeGuy. When he mentioned the 5-CD rip, I believe he was talking about having downloaded it from one of the news groups or from a private source.

All the time and effort you alluded to is put in by the various release groups like Kalisto, Static, Echleon, Miracle (miracle if it works ;) ), etc. because frankly, not many of us have that know-how or the patience to sit there and do that sort of thing. (Heck, it'd be easier to just go out and get it or do without it... :))

[RAISTLIN]

I agree with what you're saying Balto....but that was not the point of Charlie's post. There is a new problem cropping up on the forums--and I think he's tired of dealing with it--people are trying to rip them themselves (and flubbing the process) or they are downloading ISO's that were ripped for different video standards or what not, and don't understand why they can't get it to work. I think the point is to just NOT do it--unless you really know HOW to do it.

It's kinda like when everyone was trying to do DVD to CD conversions the long way around--rip VOB and Demacro it, rip the Audio/Video seperately, compress them, resynch and stitch them together. It was in its infancy, it was tedious...but it worked--if you knew what you were doing, and had the time and patience. But now--a few years later--we have DVDx that does it all on the fly and even shuts down your PC when it's done.

Until we reach a similar level of simplicity, I think it's best if the ripping is left to the "pro's". Err...wait a minute, we do have a simple method already--it's called Primo and DVD-R!

Raist

[SomeGuy]

Well actually I was using a rip kit and not downloading it (sorry balto). but on my 500Mhz computer it was taking about 1-2 hours per CD. I have about 30 rips and 12-15 coasters to date. Still,no argement here. I want a DVD burner just no spare cash these days. I just upgraded to a 1.2 Ghz computer.

[waddpsw]

You got some wrong info there

I think we have already reached the simplest level that it can get.

5cd rip of Test Drive using the great kit put out by Bigpluter or Snoop2k2 and it takes you less than 10 mins per cd (then you have to burn them of course) but it dosnt take 5 nights

Vrally 3 is 6 cd's - again each CD takes MAX 5 mins to create with the rip kit.

To me that is well worth the effort - still only $10 per game and nothing is really missing. Hell of a lot cheaper than a DVD burner

Not all of us can afford DVD burners even now when they have just dropped in price so DVD rips are the only way to go

Similar to your example below - we have moved from peeps doing it the hard way with CDDVDGen and isobuster to utilizing rip kits that make life a breeze.

My 2c worth


Regards

Wad






Originally posted by RAISTLIN
Good God man---I got better things to do with my time. It takes 6 hrs just to rip a DVD movie to VCD in good quality Audio/Video on a high power workstation. And you want to Rip, Dissasemble, split, reduce, stitch, insert, recompile......with 5 of them???!!!!!

Are you Sadistic, or Masochistic? Jeesh--I'd just go buy a previously played copy from a rental store--can get them for about the same value.

By the way--Pioneer A104's are going for less then $260 Retail on the web (w/ shipping) in the US, and DVD-R blanks can be bought for less then $3 also--even better in bulk. And how much did it cost for your CD burner, media, cost of energy to run your PC all night for 5 nights?.........hmm...might want to rethink that budget again.....

Good Luck!

Raist

[RAISTLIN]

I think you need to go back and read this post in it's entirety. What this is dealing with mostly are people who are doing it from scratch. As touched on by Balto's reply, then mine. Rip Kits are great--IF you know what you are doing and get the RIGHT one. There are dozens of posts popping up where people have gotten the wrong kit, and don't understand why it won't work. Then there are a bunch of people wanting to know how to rip it from scratch since they cant' get the rip kit to work. Not so bad here yet, but on fileforums it gets a bit ridiculous at times.

I got the impression the main point of Charlie's post was there is too much margin for error, and too much potential wear on your machine with ripping DVD to CDR from scratch. It's tricky trying to lay out the files in the best order to maximize the data stream and reduce the strain on the laser unit. When possible, it is always best to dupe a game in it's entirety on the same media.

I was eluding to the DVD to VCD because we were in the same boat while that process was in it's infancy. Now that the VCD standard has been set, programs were finally written that did all the leg work for you (ie. a well made rip kit)--but the simple fact still remains with creating VCD's--you need to know what you are doing, so you don't monkey up the data stream and get Audio/Video out of synch, or get the data rate too high and the movie skips.

It all boils down to this--if you know what you are doing, rip to your heart's content....but be warned, you may be in for a lot of headaches if you're trying to do it from scratch for the first time...basically the only help you may get is "Read the Tutorials".

Raist.

[kastor]

Rips are also ideal if you can't have an internal dvd burner. Your assuming that everyone has a desktop and can get ahold of a cheap ide drive. I have a leading edge labtop yet i would still have to buy an external firewire burner which is most expensive...and not all rips cut out the important parts, and on a final note not all people have enough time to play games through :) 44 hours a week and i'm beat as is peace

[waddpsw]

I did read the thread from the start - but i found it strange to have a DVD ripping section in which the first post is - Dont do it

I enjoy doing it (with kits) and dont think we should stop others trying it just because personally we dont do it or agree with it.

To me its a learning curve same as PSX copying was a few years back. You will have newbies who cant do it and post asking why all the time. Not much you can do about that.

Regards

Wad

Originally posted by RAISTLIN
I think you need to go back and read this post in it's entirety. What this is dealing with mostly are people who are doing it from scratch. It all boils down to this--if you know what you are doing, rip to your heart's content....but be warned, you may be in for a lot of headaches if you're trying to do it from scratch for the first time...basically the only help you may get is "Read the Tutorials".

Raist.

[2 Tru CReW]

I dont like the idea of ripping personally because you lose sometimes alot of your game, like main movies, music, intro's etc.
I don't get rips because I dont like the idea of having the uncomplete games, I think you can sometimes miss alot out of a game by ripping it.

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by waddpsw
I did read the thread from the start - but i found it strange to have a DVD ripping section in which the first post is - Dont do it
...


Nice one WAD! I did it to kick the damn section off and I stand by every word.

[RAISTLIN]

OK, just like most of you, I don't have a ton of cash laying around, but guess what I DID have--an @$$ of games I didn't play anymore. Guess what I did--I eBayed the mutha's off. In less then 3 weeks, I had enough PayPal money to snag a Pioneer A04 for $240 (Delivered). It came with Power DVD, Sonic MyDVD, and Veritas Record Now--but I already snagged the Prassi Primo free download, and updated the engine for it to support the A04. The drive is perfect, got it from a reputable eBay seller--

AND I DIDN'T PAY A DIME FOR IT!!

I still had $50 at PayPal, so I also just snagged a bundle of 25 v2.0 Princos with cases for $40 (Delivered) via eBay as well. All I'm out-of-pocket for is a $10 TDK DVD-RW I ran out and got from Circuit City ty so I could test the drive out!!

Gee....$10.60 for a DVD-burner, and 2 dozen disks to burn as well.....not all that expensive, eh? If you account the $10 I still have at PayPal, I guess you could say it was ALLFREE!!

Dig around in your closets and attics guys--you might be able to do the same!

Raist

[SledDog]

Let us know how those v2.0 Princo discs work as folks have had a lot of problems with them in the past.

If they've changed the dye formulation and reflectivity index and they now boot without freezing or skipping, it'd be nice to know...

[waddpsw]

Originally posted by charlie_ps2

Nice one WAD! I did it to kick the damn section off and I stand by every word.


No offense was intended Charlie, all i said was that i found it strange but i didnt disagree with you at all. You put your opinion and i put mine.
You know a hell of a lot more than i do (ive seen you around ps2ownz for years) but i still think DVD Rips are a good way to go for a lot of us that cannot afford a DVD burner. I would much prefer to get full versions but cant so have to go with the next best thing.

It was Raistlin's comments that prompted me to post as he was talking about things he didnt really know about (5 days and countless hours to rip a game etc etc)

I knew it was the first thread in this section and was just putting my 2c in - Thats what the forums are for isnt it ??

Exchange of ideas and info ?
We can have different opinions cant we ?
Be a bloody boring world if we all thought the same.

Regards

Wad

[BigGanja]

OK ripping is gonna break your PS2 trust me its happened twice already !!!!!

Seriously Ripping takes time unless the rip kit is already out It strains your laser toooooo much but for some ppl it is the only way out !!!

I suggest get a jar or something and keep putting change in it or quit smoking or something and SAVE the money in the jar as your DVD-r fund,

DVD-r disks are not much more than your average CDrs nowadays and it will enable you to have COMPLETE games not hacked up versions with music and FMV missing

I have dropped a message about HOW TO rip yourself in the NO-MOD sucks thread, but you rip a game yourself, listen to your laser, then try the original and listen to the laser you will HEAR the difference but if ya wanna rip do it

I am merely agreeing with Charlie in saying Ripping is a GOOD thing to do if you wanna wear down your laser quick !!!!!!

[Joe Mama]

AAAAHHHHHHH!!!! Its Nasis.X with a Charlie_PS2 mask on!!!!!
Lynch that bastard!! Lynch that bastard!!! Before he sells you glorified Neo 2.2 chips to 'Tune off your laser'
Heh Heh Heh Just kiddin Charlie ;) (You know this - I hope)
-Me