New DMS3 Update!

[trumpetguyscw]

from their site, posted today:

We have fixed the DVD-r bug, added config mode and HDD, all those elemts are now confirmed working.
We're now fixing the Flash 2.0 to work correctly with the DMS3 1.0 and correcting an issue with DVD region free.
The release will be made just as soon as these issues are resolved.

[itaintrite]

Meh.

[calpchen]

Look. I know we had a date tonight, but something came up at the last moment. I'm SO sorry. How about tomorrow evening?

[necrolop]

excuses. bunch of flakes if you ask me. Ive been sitting on a non working ps2 for 5 months because of them.

[loy]

it'll come out soon

[loy]

but non working how? the only real annoying bug is the dvd boot from standby

[itaintrite]

Yes, if your PS2 is NOT working, your installation is bad.

And yeah, just more excuses. I dont see why they had to make that announcement about releasing it on Wednesday, only to delay again.

[calpchen]

Haha. :rolleyes:

C'mon now. Does anyone really expect release dates to be strictly adhered to?

How many times have you told yourself that you'd get something done by a certain date, only to put it off a few more days? Like that pile of laundry that should've been done last week? hehe.

I think we're all just getting a little giddy with excitement. Let's try to be patient. It'll come out soon enough.

Also, I'm glad they posted an update as opposed to leaving us in the dark.

[necrolop]

I dont mean "non working" in the sense that the ps2 doesnt work. Its a v9, it "works" fine. But I have the DVD-R issue caused by 1.8, and that pretty much makes the box useless to me as I cannot sell it when its not in full working order.

[nunyabiziz]

I dont see why they can just release the firmware now for dms3 2.0 only and release another firmware for version 1.0 later.

[Fat_Mike]

Because they are probably bullshitting to get more time to fix their shit. I'm sorry but don't post release date if you don't plan on following them. As soon as they post a release date, people are entitled to whine as much as they want if they don't follow their statement. That's my 2 cents. As for myself, I have simply lost the faith I had toward the DMS team.

[phenom71ca]

i take it the dms forums are still down aswell?

[itaintrite]

Affirmative.

[cyman83]

yea thats why i will never buy another dms chip

[AT6767]

why because they have delayed their update? the chip is great quality one of the best if not the best. they're trying to make their product better and u complain.

[itaintrite]

Right now, I don't think the DMS3 can outperform Matrix Iffinity, maybe the other way around.

[Fat_Mike]

Originally posted by AT6767
why because they have delayed their update? the chip is great quality one of the best if not the best. they're trying to make their product better and u complain.

What people tend to forget is that once you pay an ammount of money for a service or an item, as soon as something goes wrong, you are allowed to complain. That's your right if you are not happy with what you got. We're not talking about some amateur dev here, we're speaking about a commercial chip.

[itaintrite]

Fat_Mike, nicely said. Exactly my point, if a product's not performing as well as it is advertised, the customers have the rights to complain.

[AT6767]

ur all right but give them a chance at least

[DeleriumMDK]

But then on the other hand you have people who got rid of perfectly good V7's and have issues with their V9 or 10 simply because they had to have the most up to date system but didn't count on chipmakers not being prepared. My V7 NTSC PS2 with a DMS3 running flash 1.8 has not given me a single problem, I'm glad I didn't get rid of it when I had a chance to. If I were having issues yeah I'd want a prompt fix but a part of me also knows prompt can often be buggy. I'd rather see them take their time then see a lot of issues like people are having in newer systems just be SLIGHTLY improved.

Also...what IS this DVD-R boot fix exactly? I heard something about V9+ not being able to boot from standby with the disc in, is this the fix for that?

[Fat_Mike]

You see, if I want to trade my old speakers for a set of brand new one that are supposed to work on my computer, I should be able to expect them to work without problems. They sell a chip for V9/V10 PS2 and if I want to trade my old v7 for a v9, the chip should work as advertised. Period. If I want to get a V9 for the new updated feature and that I buy a DMS3 V9, the chip should work as well as the DMS3 work on older PS2 version. If you are a mod dealer and you're not prepared for a new system version, just don't sell a chip for it then.

[itaintrite]

Originally posted by AT6767
ur all right but give them a chance at least

Exactly why I'm not flaming them. I'm just criticising.

[DeleriumMDK]

Originally posted by Fat_Mike
That the stupidest thing I have EVER heard. And I even watched the Sharon Osborn's show once.:rolleyes:

You see, if I want to trade my old speakers for a set of brand new one that are supposed to work on my computer, I should be able to expect them to work without problems. They sell a chip for V9/V10 PS2 and if I want to trade my old v7 for a v9, the chip should work as advertised. Period. If I want to get a V9 for the new updated feature and that I buy a DMS3 V9, the chip should work as well as the DMS3 work on older PS2 version. If you are a mod dealer and you're not prepared for a new system version, just don't sell a chip for it then.

Im gunna pretend that first comment didnt hurt :D

Yeah you probably are right but what about this? I got an ATI Radeon 9600SE 128MB card the other day to replace my still working GEForce2 MMX 64MB card. Sure I hoped it would work without a single problem but the truth is, it took some work to get everything set up properly. This is the cold hard reality of upgrading or changing something with electronics, there CAN be unforeseen issues.

Back to the issue at hand though...are ALL V9's effected? What about 10's? What are the exact problems? Is it limited to one region, and/or is it worse in one region than another? All that matters is whatever is going on is being worked on though I guess. It sucks they didn't meet this date (I want the 2.0 firmware myself) but hell, at least we know the team is alive. How long was it before anyone even heard from anyone on the DMS team prior to the announcement that a new Flash was being made?

[mappet]

i don't understand some people.
if the release of the firmware is delayed is because they want to be sure that the update works perfectly.
i don't think you want a bad update, with a lot of bugs.

everything could be delayed .... or you forgot about GT4 ... a lot of moths of delay ... just to make a better game

[itaintrite]

Originally posted by mappet
everything could be delayed .... or you forgot about GT4 ... a lot of moths of delay ... just to make a better game

I won't believe the hype until the game actually comes out. Spending more time on a game doesn't necessarily make it better.

[Fat_Mike]

Originally posted by DeleriumMDK
Im gunna pretend that first comment didnt hurt :D


Well, sorry about it, I'm gonna edit my post. It wasn't ment to be nasty but I realise it wasn't nice either:p

[Suniikaa]

Originally posted by mappet
everything could be delayed .... or you forgot about GT4 ... a lot of moths of delay ... just to make a better game

Originally posted by itaintrite
I won't believe the hype until the game actually comes out. Spending more time on a game doesn't necessarily make it better.

One word: daikatana

[AT6767]

the only thing that annoys me is that there is a total lack of communication. When will the update be release now?

[Tannah]

I think I might be able to awncer the Relece date question.. the 2.0 firmware will be releced soon.. when soon is well.. Its somtime right?

And no not all V9's and V10's were affected I know a few people that have the DMS3 V9/V10 chip in V9/V10 PS2's and with firmware 1.8 they have no problems at all and they have been working great for months. They Boot no diffrent than a V7 does..

from what I heard the PAL PS2 V9 and V10's had the most problems..

Supposidly the V9/V10 DMS3 chip is even more finiky than the DMS3 V2.0 and its really fussy over the install.
plus on top of that some of the new DMS V9/V10 chips were shipped with flaky firmware, but if you reflashed them it would fix the problem. which there is no excuse for.

[itaintrite]

Originally posted by Suniikaa
One word: daikatana

gah....eww...yuck....

[itaintrite]

Originally posted by Tannah
Supposidly the V9/V10 DMS3 chip is even more finiky than the DMS3 V2.0 and its really fussy over the install.
plus on top of that some of the new DMS V9/V10 chips were shipped with flaky firmware, but if you reflashed them it would fix the problem. which there is no excuse for.

Nope, we've already tried reflashing, still not working (well, as promised anyhow). So here we are...bitching :)

[loy]

no no reflashing wont work. it was just an error on the 1.8 cause when in beta testing no one had a v9 so the firmeware came out with teh v9 chip. The new firmware( god knows when it will come out) will fix the problem

[phenom71ca]

i think the dms forums should be up still
flash 2 will come out when it comes out...

[loy]

they took the fourms down to redo them

[phenom71ca]

i think they are wiating till flash 2 is released .....

cause i dont think it takes that long to redo forums

but i could be wrong

[itaintrite]

Maybe, they took it down on purpose, so people can't complain.

[HypERSoniC]

come on guys, stop crying...

people NEVER stick to their release dates, just look at any ps2/gcn/xbox/pc game to find out...
if you expected their update to be released on time... you expected wrong. after all, they have never really released an update on time previously, have they?

[mappet]

Originally posted by HypERSoniC
come on guys, stop crying...

people NEVER stick to their release dates, just look at any ps2/gcn/xbox/pc game to find out...
if you expected their update to be released on time... you expected wrong. after all, they have never really released an update on time previously, have they?


you are right.
release date is just a way to say "we will release the thing around this date"

[itaintrite]

That, or "we will release the thing anytime after this date"

[Alcahest]

for the dude 2 pages ago that still didn't get his anwser; the DVD-R bug is that the PS2 won't boot a DVD already inserted in the PS2 from cold boot by pressing "reset". It gives a black screen. However, if you press "eject" instead, no problemo.
I'm more concerned about the progressive scan "hidden option".. for which the DMS Team haven't even acknowledged the problem yet.
Later,

Alcahest

[jamminj606]

all i want out of this sucker is hdd support. as long as that part works I'll be a giddy gus. (along with booting backups of course)

[itaintrite]

i'd love a media detection feature and um...higher rate of booting from browser?

[rilhouse]

Sorry for this noob question but I'm considering buying a V9/V10 with the DMS chip and I want to know what the problem is.

Thanks.

[loy]

DVD-R bug is that the PS2 won't boot a DVD already inserted in the PS2 from cold boot by pressing "reset". It gives a black screen. However, if you press "eject" instead, no problemo.

[HypERSoniC]

it's no problem.. just a bit of a hassel. it'll be fixed soon neways

[rilhouse]

ok thanks, from the sounds of things I thought there was a major problem!:crazy:

[cyman83]

dms team sucks, they take forever to release a fix. if everyone has a problem with the firmware, they should get their ass and fix it asap. its been 3-4 months and they're still not done with a fix. never again will i buy another dms chip

[rilhouse]

Is the problem of the PS2 not booting a DVD already inserted in the PS2 from cold boot that big of a deal?! :confused:

To me it's not, I'm going to be ordering a DMS chip ASAP.

[jdog006]

The problems I have with the whole situation is:

1. It was not very smart for the DMS team to set a release date for the flash in the first place. If they hadn't set a date and simply said "The new flash will be released soon" (which is what we are hearing now that the release date has come and gone), we wouldn't be able to complain about them not making the release date. I am currently having no problems with my DMS chip. I'm not experiencing any bugs, although I am looking forward to the added features in the new flash. I would be happy as can be if I hadn't been expecting the release on a certain date (I know, I know, it is really stupid of me to expect something on the date that I was told it would be available).

2. The forums being down is really ridiculous. "We are re-doing the forums" is the official position. For a team of coders, they must have the worst web-page development team on the face of the planet. How long have the forums been down while they are being "re-done"? TOO DAMN LONG that's for sure. The appearance is that they are avoiding hearing from people who, like me, are tired of seeing release dates pass without a release.

Like I said before, I have been very happy with my chip, but business practices like the ones that I have mentioned cause animosity among the user base.

If the problems they are experiencing are truly only related to the V9 and/or V10 as they are claiming, why not release what they DO have for everyone who is using older consoles? It seems like that would pacify a majority of the people who are becoming upset?

[StoneColdLee]

stop bitchin and be patient remember the best things come to those who wait

[itaintrite]

StoneColdLee, oh really. I'll be the one laughing when firmware 20 introduces more new bugs.

[cyman83]

Originally posted by StoneColdLee
stop bitchin and be patient remember the best things come to those who wait

u're an idiot if u think that coder team will fix everything, from their pass history they always seem to find a way to screw things up. in the bussiness world, hard due dates are really important. but i guess its not to them :lol:

[mappet]

of course it may be introduces some bugs, every new software have bugs, mostly in the new features.
but the 2.0 firmware may correct older bugs .... and the next release will correct the bugs in 2.0.
always is the same thing, in every software.

[itaintrite]

Well, that comment (of course true) was directed at StoneColdLee who apparently thinks we should all be nice boys and girls and wait another few months for firmware 2.0.

[HypERSoniC]

Originally posted by jdog006
2. The forums being down is really ridiculous.

jdog006, if you were the maker of dms3, would you want to keep your forums open during it's release so that people can flood the forums saying "when will it be out???? " " come on guys to slow!!" "come on please release!!" "what features are in the 2.0 flash?? "

there are 2 mods on there who arean't dms3 team members. why waste your effort moderating forums when you can spend time on other things.. ie completing the flash.

i think taking down the forums was a smart idea. because as demonstrated in the past(and you), all people do when dms3 says they will release a flash is bitch.

i'll say it again, dms3 took a big risk putting a flashable feature into their modchip, becuase they *have* to keep developing for it. people don't hesitate to love messiah, because they have no responsibility, nothing to go wrong (or supposedly :P ) people don't hesitate to flame dms because they took that responsibility to actaully support their product which is illiegal in most countries!!

i say good on you dms3 team!!



[/ END RANT ] :P

[phenom71ca]

h sonic..
i dont think its a good idea for the forums to be down..
but i do see your point....

but on the other hand...
e.g. i just bought a dm3 chip and installed it, and im having troubles with it.....

so now what....
no forums for help(dms forums)

another words.. no support at all..

or thats what it would seem

[HypERSoniC]

i understand your predicament, the dms3 forums seem the ideal place to ask for help. there are other places tho, like this forum now. i'm willing to help if you throw me a pm.

do you like my new avatar? :D

[jdog006]

Originally posted by HypERSoniC
jdog006, if you were the maker of dms3, would you want to keep your forums open during it's release so that people can flood the forums saying "when will it be out???? "

there are 2 mods on there who arean't dms3 team members. why waste your effort moderating forums when you can spend time on other things.. ie completing the flash.

i think taking down the forums was a smart idea. because as demonstrated in the past(and you), all people do when dms3 says they will release a flash is bitch.


[/ END RANT ] :P

1. People would not flood the forums asking "when will it be out????" If they hadn't told us it would be released on a certain date which never happened.

2. If the 2 mods on the site aren't team members how are they "completing the flash"?

3. The only reason people bitch when DMS says they are going to release a flash is because they never stick to a date that they make public.

I know you are a respected member of the community and I'm sorry if you don't understand where I am coming from, but it seems like the DMS team ALWAYS gets everyone all hyped up and anxious only to let us down. I totally agree that they offered a superior product by making it upgradable and I wouldn't trade my DMS for anything. The way that they go about releasing the upgrades doesn't do the chip justice though. They should either release it when they have said that they would or don't promise a date in the first place. Are you telling me that when they tell their customers something, the customers should take it with a grain of salt? If you expect your customers to disbelieve what you tell them, that is just bad business practice. I am not bent out of shape and I am fine with what I currently have. I am only making observations about the way that they release their upgrades and noting that it is not a good way of doing it. If they hadn't said anything about when the flash would be released and one day they just posted the flash on their forums, everyone would be extatic. Instead they create a huge build-up to another let down. This has happened with every flash release and chip release so far. I would think that they would become a little wiser eventually.

[cyman83]

Originally posted by jdog006
1. People would not flood the forums asking "when will it be out????" If they hadn't told us it would be released on a certain date which never happened.

2. If the 2 mods on the site aren't team members how are they "completing the flash"?

3. The only reason people bitch when DMS says they are going to release a flash is because they never stick to a date that they make public.

I know you are a respected member of the community and I'm sorry if you don't understand where I am coming from, but it seems like the DMS team ALWAYS gets everyone all hyped up and anxious only to let us down. I totally agree that they offered a superior product by making it upgradable and I wouldn't trade my DMS for anything. The way that they go about releasing the upgrades doesn't do the chip justice though. They should either release it when they have said that they would or don't promise a date in the first place. Are you telling me that when they tell their customers something, the customers should take it with a grain of salt? If you expect your customers to disbelieve what you tell them, that is just bad business practice. I am not bent out of shape and I am fine with what I currently have. I am only making observations about the way that they release their upgrades and noting that it is not a good way of doing it. If they hadn't said anything about when the flash would be released and one day they just posted the flash on their forums, everyone would be extatic. Instead they create a huge build-up to another let down. This has happened with every flash release and chip release so far. I would think that they would become a little wiser eventually.

took the words right out of my mouth, well said. :wow:

[ELiTE KiLLaH]

should have left the forums up i say
if they wanted to stop any flooding, simply restrict the users from making any posts. At least reading/seraching the database of posts for problems and whatnot should have been left up, so as to provide soem sort of "tech support"..

oh well my chip works perfectly so im happy :lol:

[HypERSoniC]

Originally posted by jdog006
1. People would not flood the forums asking "when will it be out????" If they hadn't told us it would be released on a certain date which never happened.

2. If the 2 mods on the site aren't team members how are they "completing the flash"?

3. The only reason people bitch when DMS says they are going to release a flash is because they never stick to a date that they make public.

I know you are a respected member of the community and I'm sorry if you don't understand where I am coming from, but it seems like the DMS team ALWAYS gets everyone all hyped up and anxious only to let us down. I totally agree that they offered a superior product by making it upgradable and I wouldn't trade my DMS for anything. The way that they go about releasing the upgrades doesn't do the chip justice though. They should either release it when they have said that they would or don't promise a date in the first place. Are you telling me that when they tell their customers something, the customers should take it with a grain of salt? If you expect your customers to disbelieve what you tell them, that is just bad business practice. I am not bent out of shape and I am fine with what I currently have. I am only making observations about the way that they release their upgrades and noting that it is not a good way of doing it. If they hadn't said anything about when the flash would be released and one day they just posted the flash on their forums, everyone would be extatic. Instead they create a huge build-up to another let down. This has happened with every flash release and chip release so far. I would think that they would become a little wiser eventually.

1 and 3 i can't answer, you'll have to ask the dms team :P
2 - i meant that the mods who aren't dms3 producers would not be able/have time to moderate the site. and even if they could, there's not much point of the DMS3 TEAM(people who could admin the forums) spending time on admining the forums when they could be completing the flash

look they have obviously hit into a trouble along the way. it happens, people make mistakes all the time. if they were so confident that they were gonna release the flash "the following wednesday" and didn't, there is obviously a hickup.

the only thing to do now is wait. don't visit the dms3 website, browse here as usual, just pretend they didn't say anything about a new firmware. and then when it does come out, you'll be like "oh sick a new firmware. "

even if they are bad in regards to sticking to chedual, they are kick ass programers, and i belive that that's worth waiting for...

i know where your coming from.. it is bad business practice, it is annoying, and it is frustrating. but thats' just the way things have worked out... no one can change it.

[jdog006]

agreed!

[Fat_Mike]

What about all the bug they just don't seem to care about? There is still alot of great PSX title that freeze at the PS logo with the DMS3. And don't give me any ''Who play PSX games anyway?'' crap because I do and so does a couple of my friends. We've reported all those problems since the first DMS3 version and they just ignored us. And where is the so called improved Memory Card explorer we were supposed to get? Oh yeah, we got the HDD explorer insted, but what about those without HDD that prefer to use their memory card? They're stuck with a memory card full of corrupted data and they can't even uninstall applications properlly without erasing all the explorer from the memory card. And I lended them my BETA HDD kit back when we were beta testing FF XI so they could add support to the chip, and they finaly released a fix like a month or so after when the beta period was almost ending:rolleyes:

[mappet]

DMS3 team don't have to add support for everythig that users want.
they have to add support to the features that have some priority ... like the official HDD support ... fix some bugs ...
beta testing hdd kit was not a priority, because there wasn't too many users of dms3 using that kit.

i think they haven't released the new firmware, because they have some problems with it, and like i said before,this could happend to anyone.

so, the only thing we can do is wait.

[cyman83]

Originally posted by mappet
DMS3 team don't have to add support for everythig that users want.
they have to add support to the features that have some priority ... like the official HDD support ... fix some bugs ...
beta testing hdd kit was not a priority, because there wasn't too many users of dms3 using that kit.

i think they haven't released the new firmware, because they have some problems with it, and like i said before,this could happend to anyone.

so, the only thing we can do is wait.


well thats the main selling point of their chip, so i think they have to add support to alot of things. that was the main reason i picked the dms chip instead of the others cause of the firmware upgrades.

[mappet]

all of us picked the dms chip because it could be upgraded ...
but they don't have time to add support to everything you want ... so, they have to focus in some features...

[Debooo22]

u know kahfan has figerd a way out to use a 3rd party hdd on any modded ps2 u now dont need a dms3 chip just to do it :D but its alot easier if u have the chip alrdy like me.

[KaISeR SoZEi]

I'm member of the beta test, I can tell you the actual version is near completition

All 1.8 bugs are destroyed :)
And the menu is pretty good ;)

[AT6767]

how near? this is bullsh*t that i paid for this prduct and get a black screen when pushing reset

[itaintrite]

Originally posted by KaISeR SoZEi
I'm member of the beta test, I can tell you the actual version is near completition

All 1.8 bugs are destroyed :)
And the menu is pretty good ;)

Should we expect any unannounced features Kaizer?

[Alcahest]

Kaizer, or anyone in the DMS team really, what about the "Progressive scan" hidden option bug?
Later,

Alcahest

[AT6767]

i think that this team is slowly just dieng. they're setting the stage. fix the bugs put a few new features then say they support then run. it wouldnt be the first time. i was going to get ther xbox mod but they can go to hell.

[itaintrite]

The only reason I got my modchip is to be able to boot ALL my backups properly. I'm guessing even that's out of the question.

[KaISeR SoZEi]

Originally posted by Alcahest
Kaizer, or anyone in the DMS team really, what about the "Progressive scan" hidden option bug?
Later,

Alcahest


I havn't tested progressive scan yet, i will receive a new update this day and wil try it ASAP

[KaISeR SoZEi]

Originally posted by itaintrite
Should we expect any unannounced features Kaizer?

not yet but the menu is really funny :)

please note you need a memory card in order to save menu configuration

[KaISeR SoZEi]

...

[kevlang]

Everyone feel a bit better now?
Thanks KaISeR!

[SKS]

DMS3 2.0 Released check it out here http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22748

[ELiTE KiLLaH]

i think the macrovision disable feature was removed in 1.8, is it back in 2.0?

or maybe i just heard wrong...or read wrong...