Matrix MXL2 + V10 works great!

[cONEction]

Just finished a V10 with a MXL2, wasnt sure if V10 was supported cause i saw there was 2 versions of MXL2 , one compatible till V9 and other also V10. I had one with a green dot in top left.

anyways, works great, tested the PS1 mode and also worked great. but the PS1 mode of MarsII on all 3 PS2's still wont work, and im sure i didnt anything wrong. so i guess its just not supported at all :D

cheers

[uns97]

Green dot means the chip is V10 compatible. The older one with the white dot marking means V9, but may work with some V10 bios aswell. (of course the green works for sure, so that is the prefered one to use with V10)

regards, Stephen

[DIOYK-13]

Great news!MXL2 With green dot are compatible till V10 and with white dot till V9!Do you have a photo from your work in V10?

[will2003]

Originally posted by DIOYK-13
Great news!MXL2 With green dot are compatible till V10 and with white dot till V9!Do you have a photo from your work in V10?

Here's one I did...

http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=128902

[EnTiTy]

yup it works fine another here that i did :)
http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/attachment.php?postid=133226
EnTiTy

[cONEction]

Originally posted by will2003
Here's one I did...

http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=128902


cool, you guys both used other points than mentioned in the diagram, since im a noob , i dont know any alternate points :)

[cONEction]

First chip i installed was the MarsII chip, and since its a hard one to solder 26 wires, Matrix MXL2 is really easy, I think everyone with a little solder experience can solder a Matrix MXL2 with no problem :D

[villasg]

I love this mod.
Now i am over 750 installations of this ov V3-V10 (PAL).
Works great.

[ps2mods101272]

Ive installed loads of MATRX MXL 2's IN V-10' S, i think the MATRIX chip is exellent, and has never let me down.

[cONEction]

Originally posted by villasg
I love this mod.
Now i am over 750 installations of this ov V3-V10 (PAL).
Works great.

750?? damn, you must be rich bastard :D

[nonen666]

Yes it works, but the point is that v9-v10 are extremely problematic and they just get damaged (La6508 see other threads). And they don't get damaged the next day but months later...

[cONEction]

Originally posted by nonen666
Yes it works, but the point is that v9-v10 are extremely problematic and they just get damaged (La6508 see other threads). And they don't get damaged the next day but months later...

mm really? well that sucks. :(
can someone send a picture of a LA6508, cause i have a V4 motherboard , so if it happens maybe i can replace the chip :D

[uns97]

cONEction: You won't replace that... As the LA popped up on the V9 first. So it's not on the V4. Anyway, it's quite hard to get an LA, there are some sources for 15-20 euro but quite limited stocks, so it's always safer to get some extra. Yes, V9 is one of the worst PS2 model up will now, and its dead rate is very high. So, let's talk about those installs and "working MXL2s" some weeks later... I don't want to make you worry, but most machines that had the MXL2 inside worked perfectly for days/weeks before they broke down. It's not proven what causes this, but you have to know that they are/were mostly MXL2 + M2 installs...

regards, Stephen

[TeknoZ]

uns97 : for what is worth not only I have read about dead V9s with any kind of different chips (including M2, Mxl2, Titanchip Lisa/Gloria, r1pper2, DMS3, MagicV, etc.) but also some unmodded ps2 have apparently died with the usual symptoms.

The general consensus seems to be that there is a certain batch of V9s with some production problems and these can apparently die at any time for no reason.
This could also explain why the V10 was brought to the market so quickly after the V9.

[ShadowKnyght]

I am still waiting for their infinity mod.

As they only sell wholesale in batches of 1000 I don't want to buy until their DMS killer has been released! ;)

[fluidmax]

TeknoZ...good point about the fast V10 release...consider V7 lasted about 1.5 years before the V9 came out(V8 did't come to north america)

[cONEction]

ok, from what ive heard , only V9 has a lot of trouble?
but are there also problems with V10? anyone had any trouble with a V10 before?

[uns97]

Guys: don't make me laugh... all dead PS2s we have, worked perfectly without a mod for MONTHS. Then after the mod was installed died in DAYS. Don't make me laugh, the machines knew when to die... It may happen ONCE or TWICE but in a ROW, I doubt that is SONY's fault. Also, there are reports of dead V10s aswell. And, phew, dead DMS3, and Magic V.... Yeah, 1 or two, that may be installation problem. BUT: how many dead M2 and MXL2 have you seen ? I have read about thousands... And have seen personally about a dozen. All were MXL2 + M2 ones. It isn't worth keeping the MXL2 in heaven, when they also released the V10 compatible one, probably the modified code, which is better and won't kill the machines... It's not proven of course they would be silly to say that, but let's not be that happy about a mod that is on the first place in killing machines.

regards, Stephen

pS: and to everyone who installed an MXL2: as said, let's talk about these "successfull installs" months later, we'll see who was right.

ppS: also read the www.gamefreax.de site about that someone claims he knows what kills the machines. Seems he is talking about the code in the mod.

[Blessed]

Originally posted by fluidmax
TeknoZ...good point about the fast V10 release...consider V7 lasted about 1.5 years before the V9 came out(V8 did't come to north america)
V8 did come to America, it's just a V7 39001 with a slightly newer bios chip, if I'm not mistaken.

[nonen666]

If you read the thread "The real dead v9 answer is here!" and some other threads you will see what is the problem. On the v9 there is a chip (LA6508 or also called LA608) which controls the eject mechanism and lazer focus. When we use original media the lazer doesn't bother to keep on focusing to read the bits because any original media is the absolute quality. But when we put a cd,dvd backup the lazer is trying hard to focus on them. The problem here is that the LA6508 gives higher voltage peaks when trying hard to focus and finally after some time gets damaged (This has been tested succesfuly with osciloscope by ps2_charlie as I recall). And that doesn't have to do with the modchips. The modchips work on completely different area and doesn't have to do with the LA6508. Some say that this could be prevented with a better thermal sinker but my opinion is that a higher peak voltage in the LA6508 than it is made for can damage it before even gets worm(lets say it burns a transistor). And about the v10 that some say that sony released in order to fix the problem if you read the threads they definitely end up with the same v9 dead problem because they use the same LA6508 chip.

[uns97]

nonen666: he he he... You made me laugh.. that thread is talking about nothing but about a lot of thoughts...

1st:
Oh, LA problem. Sure, if I remove it and replace it with a new one, why the hell does the board not work again ?!?! I will send you the board, do me a favour, replace the LA, and I will give you one million dollar if the result is a GOOD and WORKING board.

2nd:
Higher voltages ?? With QUALITY media ??? Charlie stated that QUALITY media had almost no voltage difference compared to originals... Then why the hell could that do any harm ? (no question about low quality media, which I always refuse to use)Many people meassured the temerature and voltage of the LA, and bad quality originals have never caused any problem, no matter how bad quality those disks were... There were no voltage peaks. Also as said, the machines worked, was turned OFF, next day turned ON, and what ? Yeah, those were DEAD. Without any disk INSERTED, without any read, without any "long" time reading which could cause the "overheating" and so on... Those machines died at the powering ON, OR as one time Entity said at MODE change, which has NOTHING to do with the LA, but has a lot to do with the code in the mod...

And if you think the V10 will solve the problem, then why do you state that it uses the SAME LA so the same problem will happen... Then you all are on the wrong way, beliving that a model change will solve the problem, when you are sure the LA is the problem, which is the SAME on the V10 aswell. So what is the problem then ? LA ? Let it be. Then I wish you a happy new year with the so "loved" V10... And with its LA. Sure the MXL will cure the "bad" LA problem, right ???

regards, Stephen

pS: I'd be very happy if the problem ALWAYS were the LA. That would end up in a QUICK fix. But many of us have a bad thought about blaming this all on the LA only... Of course in cases the LA may be the problem, but in others it is simply unbeliveable.

[nonen666]

ok uns97...I'm a person who listens and I want to know what is your opinion on this. Why does it has to do with the code? Do you know what exactly do a modchip to bypass the security on the ps2? (it would be very helpful). And I've read that a lot of people who replased the LA6508 fixed the problem and they say it does the job in most of the cases. And are you sure that charlie said that it doesn't make any differnce between originals and backup about the voltage peaks? I remember the opposite.. maybe I'll search it.
And remember, we are all in the same team.:)

[Chip&Chop]

uns97,

I received 2 dead V9 PS2 UNMODDED in the last 20 days...
Both of them with the same symptoms.
I got them changed under guarantee from sony assistance and I got back new V10 instead.

How do you explain these 2 unmodded dead V9??


Sorry pal, I find your theory very weak and not supported by the general reality of the situation.
I belive we should stick to the facts and try to find the technical solutions/reason to the dead V9 problem.

By the way, I didn't really understand what is your suggestions to avoid to have problems with V9.

[uns97]

Well, there have been some discussions about how a modchip works. Unfortunatelly some developers are now in trouble (sad but that is why no Charlie or other developpers appear on this forum these days for example...) who added some technical data how mod chip can cause damage to the PS2. (no, not to the V9 only) There were problems which were proven to be solved by an eeprom change on older models. All those problems were caused at the first powering on. (and with the mod inside) Some talanted guys replaced a lot of compontents on the board with NO luck. That time there was the BA and not the LA. The problem seemed the same as now with the LA. Replaced 4 NEW BA's on those boards and none helped. Now as the same happens with the new board, and there are people who reported succesfully reparation of the V9 board with the change of the LA. Ok, they probably had the LA burnt, using bad quality disks. No question, todays low quality DVD-R (DVD+R) disks can cause a lot of troubles and not only with the PS2. But, as I said, I personally have had 4 dead V9 that had nothing to do with low quality DVD-Rs nor overheating. As said, they were powered off, next day powered ON, and yes they were dead. This is not a syndrome of overheating or so as there was NO disk inside. Charlie wrote this:

"DVD-R GAME RITEK PAL
DVD-R GAME MEMOREX PAL
This corresponds with the fourth graphing illustration

This showed a constant voltage in the range +½ to -½ volt swing range, a total swing of 1v, but showing regular spikes to +1v and -1v, say every second or so. Otherwise behaving as per DVD game original."

As most of us got it, the LA isn't that much affected by the QUALITY media. I don't include the part of his test about Princo or other low quality media, yes, he found that those may cause problems. Which I agree. But in my case and many other cases there were NO bad quality disks. And I am sure if I removed the "broken LA" from a broken motherboard and resolderd that to a working board, the working board would work fine with the "broken LA" aswell... Anyway, as said, I'd be very very happy if the final solution would be a quick LA swap. But as it was said a few times (not only by me) there are a lot of cases when the change of the LA did NOT save the board... Unfortunatelly.

And, yes we are in the same team, that's no question.

regards, Stephen

[uns97]

Chip&Chop: any version of the PS2 can break down. V9 or V10, V7 no matter which one you choose. But I am sure when the LA is blamed because of the problem, and the SAME LA is on the V10, then please tell me why it won't burn in a V10 and why it will in a V9 ??? That's a hard question, isn't it ?

You got V10 because now it's on sale. That's a simple answer. Most shops now sell the V10, and not the V9, so any PS2 with warranty problem will be repaced to a V10, no matter if the V10 is better or not than the V9... You'll get a V10, as now it's on sale. If you have a broken V3 and will be replaced under warranty you won't get a V3, but a V10, as they can give that to you nothing else. You did not mention that the machines were REPAIRED or REPLACED.

I have NO (and have NEVER had any) suggestion how to avoid to have problems with the V9. Never said so. I read on the gamefreax website, about claims that someone KNOWS it. I never said that it is 100 percent true, it has never been proven (yet). But who else could check what's going on than the mod developers ??? For the money you and me are paying for testing their mods, I just wished they do some research in this... I was WRONG. I heave heard/read things about "perfect mods, no harm, mods cant kill machines"... On ONE site. (guess on which one ?) And read "why you should NOT use 5V mods" on ANOTHER... Which one should I and other people belive in then ???

This is not theory, this is something deeper. I want to know how I should look at some products, - may that be a PS2 or a mod - which I PAY for and when something is wrong I get zero support. Only some claims from Sony that it's not their fault, and even MORE claims from the mod developers that it's not theirs... Then what should I blame then ? Yes, in a few cases there are installation errors, I agree. And I accept that, but now it seems we forgot how to solder as there were no such problems with the older machines...

regards, Stephen

pS: this is anyway totally off-topic. Just wanted to mention that, no matter how good a mod looks for the first time, let's not judge about it in some weeks. Look how the M2 (and its team) ended up.

[Chip&Chop]

uns97,

I never saw an unmodded V7 dead after less than 1 month of use. As a matter of facts I never saw an unmodded V7 suffering from the "sudden death" problem.

Also be sure that here when you where bringing a dead V3 (or V7) for replacement, sony was giving you back the same PS2 with a new V3 (or V7) motherboard.
But these two V9 they REPLACED them with brand new V10 PS2.
Also on the Italian boards we have many reports of unmodded PS2 that died in the last month and half and all of them replaced with V10 PS2 from sony centers.

I belive sony is not a charity organization, so there must be a reason if they give you a new V10 model PS2 when they can more easily replace the broken motherboard with a new V9 motherboard.

I also went to read the claims of gamefreax (as you keep mentioning it), but I saw no explanations there, just a lot of words.
Honestly I do not care too much about the words of commercial people or modchip producers. I prefer to base my choices on my experience and the experience of my other collegues.

For this reason I would like you to answer to my questions:

1) How do you explain these dead unmodded V9 if (like you say) the V9 death depends on the modchip and not on the V9?

2) Why only the V9 suffer from this "sudden death" problem?
I keep modding also V3-V8 but NEVER had a problem like the one happening on the V9.

I am not pushing you to give me a reply, I just want to understand how you fit these two points inside your theory that the V9 death is only a modchip related problem.

Chip&Chop.

P.S.: All the V10 I did until now are working great.

[Chip&Chop]

Another point, I belive that the story of the quality of the M2 and his team is a little bit too much complicated to reduce it in two lines like you did :)

[uns97]

Chip&Chop: you missunderstand me. I did not say that the V9 problem is only a modchip related problem. Never said that. I rather said that modchip developers have access to such devices which can be used to determine what's going on. Secondly, I don't say that it's just a V9 problem, well, there are reports here about BROKEN V10s aswell.. Not that many, but there are. And Matrix Team changed its code for V10 support. Why is that so hard to imagine that they changed the code aswell, and luckily this changed code is MORE safe ???

Sony: Sony sure isn't a charity, never was. I was told by Sony that
(and it can be proven by invoices + faxes) they REPLACE the whole board without repairing it. (I marked one dead board and got a NEW one)

The older versions dead problem: Also Entity + Temrinator said they had broken V7 PS2s with this type of problem. I had 4 back in 2003. I ALWAYS offered them for anyone who was willing to try to reapir them. Up till now, only ONE people tried to do it. With NO luck. The BA swap did not help. Neither the change of the laser. By the way the lasers work fine in another machine.

Claims from mod developers: as said million times before I have never checked these facts by myself. I have never been able to do so. I simply MARK a fact that there are some roumors here and there. I don't wanna fight for something that is useless...

regards, Stephen

pS: anyway my experience is also based on my own ones and on those peoples' who did a lot in the PS2 repair bussiness (and not in the chip selling/reselling bussines. You know, to sell a chip and installing it is one thing, but when something goes wrong and you have to repair it, that's something totally different). I rather belive in people like Entity/Charlie/Terminator and many more than in commercial MOD sellers/resellers AND in Sony's own tales.

[Chip&Chop]

uns97,

I do not belive that modchip developer have access to such devices to enable them to control and check every aspect of the functioning of a PS2.
I am still convinced that this is a problem coming from sony design or low quality of components.

Anyhow, some guys on a Spanish board is posting some suggestions about a condenser being the cause for some of teh dead V9, maybe it is worth trying it:
http://elotrolado.net/showthread.php?threadid=267499&perpage=10&pagenumber=1

Chip&Chop.

[uns97]

Unfortunatelly I don't speak Spanish. But reports on several (especially German) boards stated that changing that component does not help. Anyway, we agree on that the quality of the M2 and others are MUCH complicated than we could discuss it in 2, or even 2000 lines. Anyway, if the developers don't have access to those devices (I am sure they have anyway) why don't they invest in any to prove their products are safe. Jump to the Hypper web page and read what they think about 5V chips for example. Remember, nobody said how dangerous a M3 can be, and now suddenly this page starts talking about it. Why do developers claim then, if half of these things were NOT true. (I don't say that Hypper web site is totally correct, but why do they write things like that then ???) Aren't they intented to clear these things ? Why isn't there a page, where the other side could prove that it's NOT true, and V5 chips are safe. (it's just an example of course...) I am sure as it's a dirty bussines, unfortunatelly end users are in trouble in the end, as WE have to select what sounds OK and what sounds bullshit. I repeat, may you be right, I'd be happy with the LA problem and bad quality components. That would end as V10 spreading, but as I read quite a lot here and reports about dead V10s started popping up... I am not sure.

regards, Stephen

[Labomba]

Sorry uns97, i must say i join the group of people that think this problem is caused by the modchip or Sony itself.
I have received 2 dead V9 modded with a messiah 1.31, al the other ones are working fine until now.
I have done several installs of all kinds of mods in older version PS2 they work like a charm.
Now all of the sudden allot of people suffer dead V9 and all of the reported problem are exactly the same.....saying that this due to the lack of the installation itself is BS !!
Some of the modchip scene themselfs are shoving this in Sony's ass but for the same price the V9 is to sensitive for what so ever and they do not seem to figure out why???

[uns97]

Labomba: it's sad that happened to you too. Me also was talking from the very first time that it's not a bad install (well, to be honest, there are some for sure, BUT not all, it's really bs) problem. I have never talked about the number of my installations, but the V9 wasn't my first one. It looks hard(er) for the first time, and maybe for the second, but can be done. Without causing any damage to the PS2. Also all machines worked fine for days, without a single problem. I think if it had been a bad install, that would have turned out at the first time, not days/weeks later. But it has been written about 200 times up till now, and some still claim those were BAD installs. I don't care, I know I did a GREAT job with all, and sold all as WORKING machines, I have never heard any problem from users except from those who had dead machines. To be honest, I replaced ALL at once, without asking a question.

Well, why should they figure out what's going on ? They sell quite a lot of mods no matter what type, but earn some money for sure. Then why should they bother ?

regards, Stephen

[just wondering]

I can safely Say that Smartchips/Blue chips on V9 consoles i've never had one back out of many......

so i think its a code thing on the chips .

[Labomba]

Originally posted by uns97
Labomba: it's sad that happened to you too. Me also was talking from the very first time that it's not a bad install (well, to be honest, there are some for sure, BUT not all, it's really bs) problem. I have never talked about the number of my installations, but the V9 wasn't my first one. It looks hard(er) for the first time, and maybe for the second, but can be done. Without causing any damage to the PS2. Also all machines worked fine for days, without a single problem. I think if it had been a bad install, that would have turned out at the first time, not days/weeks later. But it has been written about 200 times up till now, and some still claim those were BAD installs. I don't care, I know I did a GREAT job with all, and sold all as WORKING machines, I have never heard any problem from users except from those who had dead machines. To be honest, I replaced ALL at once, without asking a question.

Well, why should they figure out what's going on ? They sell quite a lot of mods no matter what type, but earn some money for sure. Then why should they bother ?

regards, Stephen

What I find very strange is that i have only modded 2 V9 with a messiah 1.31, al the others have been done with r_ippers (15), none of them came back.
The 2 with the messiah have worked perfectly for over 1.5 month, 1 is dead the 2the one has reading problems.
I think that the length of the wires plays a big role in the V9, that's the only big difference I can see between these mods......and also I think the code in the messiah 1.31 is bad, causing the V9 to die.

[cONEction]

I just game the V10 + mxl2 to a friend of mine who plays a lot.
I gave him lots of dvd games.

I will find out how long it takes before the PS2 dies :D

i hope nothing will happen, and this will proof that the V10 has no problems. i try to mod another v10 with mxl2 and messiah2 next week, so we will find out ;)

I just hope this fucked up situation was something for V9 only, cause it means a nightmare if V10 and later versions will have the same issues.

[EnTiTy]

v10 has the same problem

[cONEction]

Originally posted by EnTiTy
v10 has the same problem

:cry: I havent seen much threads about dead V10s though? or are you talking about your own experience?

[saladin]

if so then it means that mod chippers will become an endangered species!!!

[cONEction]

Originally posted by saladin
if so then it means that mod chippers will become an endangered species!!!

Goddamn, and i just began modding PS2, man im so unlucky :D

[saladin]

dont worry though,trhe ps2 got cracked wen it came out, though after a while,and so will the v9.V10,well im praying its ok coz im getting premod silvers with dms3,m2 and matrix.if they die then im closing down.