Magic 3 ripped [Archive] - PSX/PS2/PS3 Scene Newz

EnTiTy

10-31-2002, 11:20 PM

what makes you think a homebrew magic 3 will be expensive
15 pound 30 dollars for the progammer
here http://www.semis.demon.co.uk/Sx/SXmain.htm

the code obviously

a bit of veriboard
an external clock £1.30 3 dollars a bit of knowledge doesnt go far either around 20 quid 40 dollars without the ubicom chip to start making the little suckers dont sound bad to me its about time we had a homebrew.

Im all for it bring it on if its stable and it works why knock it the days of the 12c508 sigh bring them back please i joined the scene not just the ps2 scene years ago when everything was free before internet existed and a m8 was a m8. now days things have changed bring the free mods back.

Its got to happen sometime look at how much prices have dropped since the clones appeared they will be next to nothing cost wise soon if thats the only chip the magic boys are using its going to happen we are getting ripped the prodution cost in bulk must be what £1.50
$3 it stinks.
EnTiTy

gbox

10-31-2002, 11:44 PM

power to all that are for the free mod again, lets kick some ass and put the info. on the forum for free and share with all!!!!!

murcielago

10-31-2002, 11:54 PM

We should joint together to stop the few guys that are getting rich with our kids toys , it's not a bussines to get rich it's something that we do for fun and share with all, remember our old friends like the "OLD CROW" and "MR Bongo" "Steve Hoyle" "mayumi" "Jinson""GAZZA""HDl" they use to share for one goal freedom to our kids to play!

pimouss

11-01-2002, 07:11 AM

UNFORTUNATLY GUICHI IS RIGHT

Lex Luther

11-01-2002, 07:50 AM

wow & after all we all do for you ;-)

charlie_ps2

11-01-2002, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by murcielago
We should joint together to stop the few guys that are getting rich with our kids toys , it's not a bussines to get rich it's something that we do for fun and share with all, remember our old friends like the "OLD CROW" and "MR Bongo" "Steve Hoyle" "mayumi" "Jinson""GAZZA""HDl" they use to share for one goal freedom to our kids to play!
You're kidding. The goal should be for our poxy kids to do the dishes first. Then if they are lucky they can play games after they've done their homework.

Anyway, what's wrong with anyone getting rich? You wold if you could!

murcielago

11-01-2002, 09:26 AM

when the old crow created his first modchip was because the big guys where selling chips around $80 now that time came again it's not fair to us to keep paying ridiculous prices for a code

Maybe the scene is not mature but it will come if somebody teach it in how to learn and how to do it

And another rhing if you think about it is that now a few big guys have been sue by sony,microsoft etc , just for the reason that they are too big like lik-sang .or before channel tech and Neo tech, they all came down because they where too big ,imagine if 100 or more people had the chip, Sony couldn't know whom to sue because we are to many and that help to keeps our comunity safe so if you think about it it will be better for everybody ,

Lex Luther

11-01-2002, 10:28 AM

LOL what are you talking about!?!?! you rip code yourself! LOL!

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WTF ! Do U know me or my involvment with sony ? Do you know my history in PSX ? We only try to help the punters in the end.

How many other people actually sell chips to Sony ? LOL

The M2 should have cost more but I fought to get it down as much as possible. as i understand the global market.

pimouss

11-01-2002, 01:12 PM

Hi Lex,
oouuuaaahhh...oouuuaaahhh...ouuuuahhh...(Dr Evil)

:cool:

mad3d

11-03-2002, 08:31 PM

so it had or havent been riped?

tec9

11-04-2002, 03:08 AM

if its ripped it will just bring out better chips that use the code and add extra like region free and macro off and resolve any bug issues if any
but also raises the issue of market being flooded with inferior clones that confuse people and and create a problem for the enduser to get a inferior chip that dosent work or has issues.

btw yo lex luther werent u helping market the matrix ? and talkin bout a fat mod with less wires and region free and macro off. is this on hold or have you now started to support messiah2. whats up with your matrix 3?

Lex Luther

11-04-2002, 09:56 AM

More than you know.

__________________
- xiaNaix -

:D :D :D ;)

charlie_ps2

11-04-2002, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Lex Luther
..............The M2 should have cost more but I fought to get it down as much as possible. as i understand the global market.
That I doubt (you fought to get the price down). I was the first to break silence and put out a published price for Messiah 2 and the rest followed almost immediately including Lex Luther. They were watching!

As were the Messiah 2 proprietors waiting to see what Magic were doing.

Lex does indeed understand the Global Market. The lower the price, the less incentive there will be to rip off the Messiah 2. But someone east of Calais will try though the market is dwindling as these chips proliferate.

tec9

11-04-2002, 05:49 PM

yo luther whats up
are you still with the matrix or are u now supporting the massiah
i am wondering cause u havent mentioned anything about your matrix for a while. ?

Lex Luther

11-05-2002, 06:51 AM

Hi,

We still have matrix2 in so it would be crazy to release until at least some of the stock has gone. We offer the messiah2 as well, we were the backers of the first messiah & will continue to support the v2. Te FAT mod is not my decision when to release in the end though. See east of calais for this.

Actually charlie_ps2, we were the first to offer the prices out & we will be the first to stick to them to protect the market. I have generally left the UK to you guys as we mainly export.

GWF ! All is still on schedule for the 20th.

2 Tru CReW

11-05-2002, 01:23 PM

Sorry, I gotta laugh :lol: :lol: :lol:

tec9

11-05-2002, 06:19 PM

i asked a chip seller about the magic 3 and messiah2, he told me

"messiah 2 is a clone of magic 2, all these chips are based bypass methods"

is this true and if not why would he say this cause hes a pretty reputable dealer.

SledDog

11-05-2002, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by tec9
i asked a chip seller about the magic 3 and messiah2, he told me

"messiah 2 is a clone of magic 2, all these chips are based bypass methods"

is this true and if not why would he say this cause hes a pretty reputable dealer.

Sorry . . . now I gotta laugh... :D

Da Brass

11-05-2002, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Balto
Sorry . . . now I gotta laugh... :D

Let me join you:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :cry:

tec9, that dealer has got his screws loose. :crazy: Just to clarify for you.....Messiah was the first to come out, then Magic was the first clone of it. From there.....it just snowballed.

Loco

11-05-2002, 08:20 PM

gbox

11-05-2002, 10:04 PM

check this, i was looking for some info and a i found somebody who can help us , i e-mail this company to see if they can breack the scenix sx28ac which is the Magic3 i am waiting for response

www.microprotection.com

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/Security/tamper/

let's free the code!!!!!!

gbox

11-06-2002, 10:28 AM

well i talk to my friend over in cali he is going to meet there tech later on this after noon and see what they can do for us he is willing to PAY THE BIG BUCK and he is going to get his money back then put it on for FREE FREE FREE so we can all share

2 Tru CReW

11-06-2002, 01:36 PM

Well, I'd like to see the outcome of this :lol:

SledDog

11-06-2002, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Loco
I bet a left finger that the dealer has LOTS & LOTS of Magic2 he wants to get rid of in a hurry :)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm tempted to take you up on that bet, but Lord only knows where that finger's been . . . :D

murcielago

11-06-2002, 05:19 PM

if gbox is right we have to be ready for the release of this code so here is where you get the parts:

for the chips:
http://www.parallaxinc.com/html_files/products/SX_Chips/sx_chips.asp#rail%20pricing

for the programmers:
1-
http://www.bpmicro.com/web/products.nsf/deaedaccb76f4c3b8625666e0080e436/a09c225c45c483e18625665a0070dc23!OpenDocument

2-
http://www.elnec.com/smapg_uk.htm

for the resonators:
http://www.parallaxinc.com/html_files/products/SX_Chips/resonators.asp

WE can use a DIP chip so it will be like the Origa chip a long chip with the resonator

Lex Luther

11-07-2002, 06:16 AM

Rex

hDL, Kvaks & Gazza deserve the credits, we just backed it with the money.

Get YOUR facts right M8 !

The messiah2 will speak for itself.

If people want to rip/hack/clone/improve etc. then does the phrase 'standing on the shoulders of giants' mean anything to you? and i dont mean the oasis album you dipsh!t.

word on the street my ass, what street is that? coronation street? quality street? Sesame street ? LOL

Lex Luther

11-07-2002, 08:40 AM

err... I did not sell messiah clones !

I am just the guy with the contacts who tries so give the trade customers what they want, whether it be matrix2, messiah2 or whatever may come out in the future. I would not know the first thing about ripping a chip !

The business side is as important as the development side, this is where i come in.

youngcrow

11-07-2002, 10:39 AM

Hey, theres a lots of fighting here ,calm dowm we are a comunity some know more than the others but intead of fighting, the Big brothers should teach the little ones in how to do it ,i'm not saying that giving everything away just teach in how to breack a console that's what we love, it maybe someones looking for money but who cares, easy comes easy goes they are not going to be rich very soon they will be broke but the aknowledge never goes!!! that's why i decide to build a web and i took over the REI desing of his web and i'm going to star receiving and posting all the material over here http://fly.to/magicfriend

Be patience and you will see Magic! ;)

gbox

11-07-2002, 12:20 PM

Go ahead REX put the code out there and ruin those lamers business , put an end to all this bull shit !
after everybody who talk you are the only one that make sence
over here! :)

charlie_ps2

11-07-2002, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Mr. Lee

Aerick, ....

Originally posted by Aerick
Datel's ............
Who noticed?

Tak

11-07-2002, 02:16 PM

;)

Da Brass

11-07-2002, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by charlie_ps2
Who noticed?

I did...I did. Do I win something?:lol:

This wouldn't happen to be the same Mr. Lee as the Messiah team, would it?

charlie_ps2

11-07-2002, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Da Brass
I did...I did. Do I win something?:lol:

This wouldn't happen to be the same Mr. Lee as the Messiah team, would it?
Who said that? Who said that?
Oh - Aerick!

Loco

11-07-2002, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by xiaNaix
I think this discussion is not only on topic but maybe some of the most interesting shit I've read on a PS2 forum EVER! :p I absolutely agree with you!! This should be converted into a sticky named "Modchips - Behind the scene" :)

Greets!

Da Brass

11-07-2002, 03:54 PM

At least people are getting a history lesson and/or finding out exactly what happened during the NEO/Messiah feud era.

;)

murcielago

11-07-2002, 04:10 PM

Yeah, now we know what's the real true with all this deal ,and the main reason about this, between them are stolen codes and ideas and a show off game, you guys fight like kids!!!!

murcielago

11-07-2002, 04:44 PM

Guichi

You are rigth, but it happends because they try to work together and then one of them where not serious people ,
Then they stab each other on the back , i mean if you are going to do something with a lot of of people working theres gonna be a lots of sharing info or how they call?(leaking info) ,
for me they did a good research and they acomplish a great job
but it was every one putting help and ideas and then what happends ?
Money wise they didn't want to split in a lot of parts and thats what started this fight!

You guys Should do the Peace and and Continue working together.
Because what happen, happend, and there's no way to go back and change things, if we still together we can do many things and no one will stop us!!!

Peace and Love!!!!!

midome

11-07-2002, 05:40 PM

ripping off codes is what made modchips so great. because they had all those functions and then made them better. then they get ripped again.

youngcrow

11-07-2002, 05:57 PM

So are you guys going to release the code and everybody can learn how it works or not?
we are hungry to learn !

gbox

11-07-2002, 06:07 PM

youngcrow you must have time everything will come soon. all you have to do is sit and wait.and i saw your page that is the best idea i,v heard it looks like the old crow page you will get a lot of responds all you have to do is post every thing you get posted up and keep your word you word is worth more then any thing just dont take credit for something you did not come up with always give credit to WHO IT BELONGES TO

youngcrow

11-07-2002, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Rex
You would 'learn' very little from the programming code, it is a bitstream type of file used for programming the device and is not the original source code.

but how about tell us the way the chip works so we can undestand how to deal with the cddvd controller and bios or maybe some techniques and what kind of instructiions the ps2 uses ,things like the bios patch tell us how to do it that will gives us a clue in how learn and develop
our own codes,
thanks for the replay

:)

youngcrow

11-07-2002, 07:31 PM

Well im' studying in how to do it but i don't have all the answers
nobody tell you how to hack in to a system like the ps2 i just asking about techniques in how to do it and how is been done and you guys have been into that already, you know because you have been on this for a on time m i 'm new i just asking for clues ,
Imagine with all the info you have archive we can do new propotitions and maybe develop new ideas in this way we all improve together and make this for our own ,

come on guys , you are our Leaders and people who we admire for what you have done and all the goal you met already.
All of you have credits for the research , Fuck the old fights let's start over! and teach the New Generation some of us will become Developers some day but we need your help right now

thanks:)

charlie_ps2

11-07-2002, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by youngcrow
..........Imagine with all the info you have archive we can do new propotitions and maybe develop new ideas in this way we all improve together and make this for our own ,
.... and round we go again knifing each other in the side ....

come on guys , you are our Leaders and people who we admire for what you have done and all the goal you met already.
All of you have credits for the research , Fuck the old fights let's start over! and teach the New Generation some of us will become Developers some day but we need your help right now
... like Prince Charles didn't two time Diana!

thanks:)

Sephiroth

11-07-2002, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by youngcrow
Well im' studying in how to do it but i don't have all the answers
nobody tell you how to hack in to a system like the ps2 i just asking about techniques in how to do it and how is been done and you guys have been into that already, you know because you have been on this for a on time m i 'm new i just asking for clues ,

Perhaps if you are really trying to find out techniques used or to learn more you should post what you have found and where you are stuck or specific questions? I'm sure you'll get a much better response than "how to hack in to a system like the ps2"

youngcrow

11-07-2002, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by charlie_ps2

i don't know why you think like that i'm just saying the truth

EnTiTy

11-07-2002, 07:45 PM

not being funny herben but i for one respect your work and also that of the origa brothers without you and them we wouldnt have jack so respect where respects due i say this is some deep shit thanks for sharing how the hell did you manage to make the ps2 games think they were psx games on the neo 4 did you after boot up switch modes hence losing the logo or did your import player patching have a part in all this alowing cdr to boot? .
EnTiTy

Robert Garcia

11-07-2002, 07:53 PM

Quick poll: for the everyday user, whether adult or kid just looking to mod a PS2 and not make a quick "million" out there, who would know what the hell to do with the "code" even if it was plastered all over place.
I wouldn't, I'd just say, fuk it let me buy the damn chip already ready to go and put it in. For the retailers this code breaking is big business but for us, the little guys just looking for a simple mod, its all a big mess. One thing it does it create competiton but also in the process, it creates a lower quality product.
Ultimately, you have to ask yourself if an unproven or untested no-name product is worth the gamble of just saving a "few bucks, pounds, pesos etc"

That's my Dos Pesos anyway. :cool:

MrSporty

11-07-2002, 08:30 PM

The peeps who wanna "buy the chip and give me warez" will always outnumber the guys who think "how does this stuff work"

but at the end of the day , most people would like to think they have a choice, ... commercial or D.I.Y , regardless of what they end up buying.

I think its the fact that no one HAS the option to DIY which is the fuel for this debate.

If some one wanted to code the old PS1 to boot on a different product , i think they could (goldwafer? :) ) .. hell .. if it came to it i recon they could code the old ps1 to boot from a damn mobile phone ..

You know the reason why you and a thousand other could do this ??? .. its cos the info is there .. out on the net .. for all to see .. and thats the exact reason why ps1 modchips dont cost sh*t nowadays .. its cos anyone with a net connect and enuff
time can make their own.

The point is that no one is willing to do an "old crow" with the current info regarding ps2 mods.

Until someone does .. this debate will bounce back and forth ...

oh well .. its fun to watch .. :)

MrS

Da Brass

11-07-2002, 08:35 PM

There definitely is no more "honor among thieves" anymore.

I for one would not be opposed to the ripping of either chip, but only after the original developer has adequetly recovered their developing costs and made some profit from it. This is what I would deem as fair. Even though ripping other's code is never good, but this would at least satisfy both sides.

Obviously, there will be others that will disagree with me and say that the developers are in it for the profit. All of which is true.....but being too greedy is the root of the problems in this community as well.

This community has had it fair share of ups and downs, and I can start to see a slide again coming with all the mud-slinging that's been going on. But let's not forget that these people are investing their time and money into something that we will use for our benefit.

Good luck to the mod chip developers.....may the best chip win!

Sephiroth

11-07-2002, 08:56 PM

Well I think there would be little value in releasing the code to the community for the following reason:

To the average PS2 owner: Most would not understand the code or the parts used and would serve as no advantage to them. They would continue to make their own Neo2's at most.

To the Modchip Manufacturers: They would only use the code for personal gain and to product there "own" versions thus creating more clones which is something we already have waaay to many of.

The only people it would really benifit would be those truely interested in learning the technology and possibly analysing the code and optimising it or working towards adding features, DVD multi etc.

Perhaps a "general user" discussion group could be made up of people who actually want to learn the technology and share ideas on improvements they could make.

My 2c :)

murcielago

11-07-2002, 08:58 PM

If Messiah code is released will give us a lot of information to work with and lots of experience.

When i made the beatmod i based it on the neo 2.2 code and a nosolder mod ,i didn't knew much about chips but the source of the neo help in my project

another thing is there only gonna be a few who can take advantage of that knowledge other not gonna know who to use the info

i think it will be great to check that code

Hey, Rex there's nothing to lose already the big guys has the code so let the small guys have it ,:)
"Let the Prophecy come true"

gbox

11-07-2002, 11:26 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rex
[B]So I guess now this is the debate:

If Messiah code is released along with the original Messiah Gerber files and part lists, will this cause some problem ?

of course not only the few would know what to do with it

Will it be the downfall of sellers in the PAL territories as every Tom, Dick and Harry can take the steps to manufacture ?

i dont thik so because the apple , blue , matrix and magic
are the big big sellers now a days

Will it undermine the people who make a business from selling modchips, and if it does...do we care ?

who care those guy made stupid amounts of money already so let the little guy get a shot at it now

Is Messiah old hat now and the code should be released anyway ?

sure help the new developer to learn to develope and under stand the theory of what is all about remember some body had to of teach you a little something long time ago

gokuguy

11-08-2002, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Aerick

The PS2 logo isn't displayed by Neo4 for 2 reasons. First of all there is a checksum performed on the disc when it displays the logo. That would have been easy to fix. Secondly, the logo for a PAL game is different than that of a NTSC game, therefore it looks like hell when you try to display a NTSC logo on PAL or PAL on NTSC. There was no real way to determine what video mode the logo was meant to be displayed in so it's impossible to correctly display the logo 100% of the time. Messiah works by checking 2 pixels of the logo at a given location and seeing if they're set to a specific color. If so, it assumes a PAL logo. Otherwise it assumes NTSC. That's fine for normal Sony PS2 logos since they only have 2 logos(PAL and NTSC) which are exactly the same from game to game, but the fix isn't perfect. Try making a custom PAL logo and see how Messiah likes that. What's the point in making a logo fix when it doesn't work every time? Add to that the fact that by displaying the logo, you add 3-5 seconds to boot time. I hadn't thought that people would miss the logo(who really cares about seeing "Playstation2" and hearing that stupid sound anyway?) and people would appreciate the decrease in boot-time. Perhaps it was the fact that Messiah went on and on about their logo fix that made people care, dunno.

The PS2 logo gives backup games a more authentic look and feel.

youngcrow

11-08-2002, 12:03 AM

i don't want to get in to you guys fight but if you are not going to release nothing why you bother in writing so much shit
all you do is going back and foward we want to know answers

i just receive a few e-mails in how we can rip the magic 3 believe me i will share with the scene everything and i don't care if some body get rich or not i just going to tech you guys a lesson fighting doesn't take you anywhere.
there's right now many people writing to me sending me info in how to do it and soon you will see results ,

thanks any way

youngcrow

11-08-2002, 12:34 AM

you are right Z is a dubass i don't have nothing to do with the oldcrow

murcielago

11-08-2002, 12:41 AM

youngcrow and Z are dumbass

gbox

11-08-2002, 01:02 AM

So what's with the code !

Rattle

11-08-2002, 02:03 AM

To the ones who want to learn about how the bios-part of noswap chips work, try dumping the bios! It's not hard at all to find the software needed.

I don't know if it will work with the messiah type modchips but it should work with neo4 at least.

And the hex for origa was released, disassembling that could get some info!

I haven't have the time to try this myself, but anyone are welcome to try :) This is how you learn things, knowledge is not for free.

/Rattle
P.S This thread is very informative, it clear some things up for me that I suspected but didn't knew before :)

EnTiTy

11-08-2002, 02:54 AM

you know this is what makes all this sad with all the bickering and shit all the ripping the clones etc its people like Aerick aka herben, guichi ,xiaNaix, the napalm guys ,hitmen that made the scene what it is today without them we would not have a scene to take part in.

And to be honest dont get the respect they deserve so its about time they got SOME and credit where credits due ive been in the scene a long time more than i care to remember as a spectator most of the time but ive learnt some shit over the years and put it to good use but the so called scene today is just fucked thats why i love this place its the scene i remember where no matter how much slagging goes on people remain freind's,
and no back stabbing occurs atleast i think it doesnt but theres always the bad seedZzZzZz lol thats what i liked about hansi and his forum people were there to help each other to start off with then most got greedy i still post there to help people now and like this forum class it as a home of innovation to be honest ive never charged for an install on any modchip im not in the scene for gain go on call me a MUG its just a hobby to me im here to make freinds and learn and be part of the community and class myself as a dedictaed scene member but as always with most money talks.

On to the release of code buisness
at first i thought great let it happen but thinking about it now all you peeps who are saying release the code what do you need it for i know in my circumstances i dont need it for gain i just want to learn and carry on learning not ohhh code make a quick pound buck on this one cheap homebrew chips make profit for installers that charge like guichi said which im going to contradict sorry guichi but i have to how many of you could put it to good use and make a home brew i for one know i could sporty could also at least with the magic 3 and also the messiah 2 if the code was available with the information a simple hombrew could be made and stable if anyone noticed the information herben gave was more than was needed for anyone with the correct atitude and determination to develop ther own mod with ease and the correct know how.
EnTiTy

EnTiTy

11-08-2002, 03:03 AM

sorry if i seem to ramble its been a late night and thats just how i see things everyone has there opinions and thats mine to correct
Rattle how can you say knowledge is not for free of course it is if you are willing to work for it if knowledge wasnt free we wouldnt have the technology to reverse engineer this stuff thats what its all about freeing knowledge as with the clones thats one generation of knowlege freed all thats needed now is the public to get that knowledge and trust me it will happen god dont i talk some shit i sound like a rambling old fart fuck i am good night all god this threads the most intresting ive read in a long time keep it going guys.
EnTiTy

Rattle

11-08-2002, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by EnTiTy
sorry if i seem to ramble its been a late night and thats just how i see things everyone has there opinions and thats mine to correct
Rattle how can you say knowledge is not for free of course it is if you are willing to work for it if knowledge wasnt free we wouldnt have the technology to reverse engineer this stuff thats what its all about freeing knowledge as with the clones thats one generation of knowlege freed all thats needed now is the public to get that knowledge and trust me it will happen god dont i talk some shit i sound like a rambling old fart fuck i am good night all god this threads the most intresting ive read in a long time keep it going guys.
EnTiTy

When I say it's not for free I didn't mean you have to pay for it with money, you pay with hard work :)

/Rattle

charlie_ps2

11-08-2002, 06:05 AM

Done. Old Crow thread stickied for you.

Xianaix & Guichi are in charge of these forums to answer yopur question.

Lex Luther

11-08-2002, 06:42 AM

errr..........

dart impex sent a mail out saying the messiah2 is out on the 20th !

murcielago

11-08-2002, 08:45 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rex
[B]
Lets get this 'old crow' shit rolling and done with, but with a little importance attached at least !

It will be great to have a modchip tutorial site back!

:)

Super_Chunk

11-08-2002, 01:45 PM

Wow.. I'm as expectator as you can get on this one.... But the stuff in this forum is INTENSE!.... One thing Entity: PUNCTUATION MARKS!!!! ( , ; . : etc.)

This is the most fun I've ever had on this forum..

Rattle

11-08-2002, 01:55 PM

We all know Z is in the game just for money, the most funny thing I read there lately was that messiah2 was no news because they didn't get a free sample. That comment does say it all!

Hmmmmmmm,
this thread is running wild but who cares as long as it good reading :)

/Rattle

Robot

11-08-2002, 02:16 PM

i dont think the release of the messiah bitstream will help homebrew at all or for that matter help the people learn about how it works.

Homebrew of this chip will cost too much , whats a rough estimate of component cost for the messiah?

And a bitstream is useless to nither man or beast to learn from , only source code we can study:/

the only homebrew option would be the magi3 rip to the scenix device.. with a relatively cheap programmer and some dip chip and a resonator u can make a magic 3

the release of the code will only spawn off more clones.... not something we need right now..

keep the chatting going , it all makes for a good read ;]

gokuguy

11-08-2002, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Rex
Hey Aerick...some interesting stuff in that post..
lets take a look::

quote:
"Paul Owen pissed off the Origa brothers and they refused to work with anything having to do with him"

Do you really think Origa wanted to hand out their goodies to someone just like that ?
They definately had innovation in their design, even hDL knew this and so was the reason why he stole their controller patch.
The problem with Origa was that they could produce some good stuff, but never perfected anything, and this still applies to their stuff even today. If you look at what they release now, they have fallen from grace and now 'clone' (at least they admit it) everything as they cant finalize jackshit themselves.

quote:
"which seems to be the case with alot of people"

Yep, I guess a lot of people in the modchip game have a substantial level of ass-holeness attached to them, its rife with skullduggery, backstabbing, undercutting, mis-informing, lying toe-rags. And now lately, it appears even snitchers and informers !

quote:
"Origa brothers decided they'd do their own no-swap mod(Origa FNS) but Sony getting involved killed that(not to mention the fact that FNS was a very unrealistic goal that I don't believe could have been achieved)."

Origa brothers made enquiries into obtaining Actel parts and wanted to duplicate the Messiah design, they were 'thwarted' by Actel and so went for a different device, they bummed out in the end as those who took on selling their latest shit had nightmares and dropped the stuff like hot potatoes. Origa R.I.P. but their innovation lives on in such mods as Messiah / Magic / Judas / Matrix / ripper / apple and God knows what else etc. etc.

quote:
"Those involved in the development of the Neo4 hardware were indeed incompetent though, which is why the Neo4 installation is a nightmare. Was really a sad thing..."

This was guessed a long time ago as optimization opportunities were constantly overlooked.
Its a similar story as in the X-Box Enigmah mod, 29 wires mod that could be done the same in 17 (as in hDL's hack of the Enigmah producing Messiah-X)
simple things that could have made the difference were never worked on to make the difference by the original developers, yet they were clever enough to produce innovative goods to begin with.

quote:
"even though the source for the DVD player app that CT stole & released has been publicly available for ages."

Contradicting yourself there...
CT paid Loser in Australia for that information, there was nothing at that time to suggest the information was developed by or the ownership of anyone else. the price was paid, the goods were delivered and the goods were labelled 'sold without restriction' in effect.
Your contradiction is in saying that CT stole it, then you say you gave it to Loser in trust. If Loser sold this to CT, I dont see how CT who paid hard cash can be called 'thieves' in this respect.

quote:
"but it directly shows exactly how the patching works which is an unbelievable help compared to what I had to deal with to make the original patch(Decrypting, unpacking & decrypting again the DVD players; Decrypting the Datel region patch code; locating common patch data for each player). If all these "developers" can't use such easily obtainable & modifyable source, that's pretty pathetic. "

Yep, my sentiments exactly...
hDL was passed all this informations and files and although he constantly stated he could do DVD MR 'in a day', he never wanted to work the information into something useful.
Even a Swedish programmer who developed the first V3 DVD Multiregion for PAL offered to write the source code for all model versions so DVD MR could be utilized, but the final decision was hDL's and he said NO so there is not now, or probably ever will be MR with Messiah.
Rex, you should write a book on this.

Super_Chunk

11-08-2002, 05:18 PM

Ditto

Robot

11-08-2002, 05:39 PM

it shud be how to make a messiah if you have $10000 or more...

I see no point because the normal ppl cant make the chip. The discussions are great keep that up.

... "Those involved in the development of the Neo4 hardware were indeed incompetent though, which is why the Neo4 installation is a nightmare. Was really a sad thing..."

Aerick ur quick to diss tom and the boys yet you sold them an 8k patch .. this is the reason for 44 wires not their incompetence , when it was infact ur own. All im saying is dont pass the buck...

EnTiTy

11-08-2002, 06:13 PM

Wow.. I'm as expectator as you can get on this one.... But the stuff in this forum is INTENSE!.... One thing Entity: PUNCTUATION MARKS!!!! ( , ; . : etc.)

sorry but its how i am call me lazy, if you like but i aint going to change.

The only chance i get to reply is late most of the time and im too tired to go trough adding puntuation and correcting spelling mistakes i just like to yabble now and then and contribute when i can as for this being the best fun you had on a forum this is how it should be how it used to be information was free before the internet existed and still is now if you know where to look but you shoudnt have to hide from the big corps which now has to be done its all just cat and mouse now which is why the scenes changing fast.
EnTiTy

dvdmodman

11-08-2002, 07:24 PM

I would rather not get dragged into this childish slagging.
The neo 4 was a whole 8k patch, the best that could be gotten with dvd all region code and psx stuff was about 1.5K BYTES if i remeber correctly Aerick?
The magic/messiah patch was only 140 bytes ish,there is a real big diferance.

At the time of neo developement I was working across the internet with Aerick (he is in the US i am in the UK) to finnish neo4, At time`s we worked for 20 hours or more none stop, Almost chucking the whole thing in a few times!

We were under pressure to finnish in the given time span,and with constant ps2 pcb changes this was a real nightmare.
But it was fun and i grew to like my far away friend as a brother.

I think we should just forget about the past, who cares who stole what and from who its realy irelavent and will not help the ps2 scene.

Lets just move on and keep the memory of the ps2 demise as that just a memory.

Respect due to the real PS2 mod dev guys : >
Aerick,HDL,Nick,brad,origa brothers and me.

Respect to Garry and Neo Team for putting it all together and making the sales.

It was fun, but now lets move on.

"good luck to the good ship PS2 and all that sail in her"

SledDog

11-09-2002, 12:31 AM

OK, I realize the focus is on the Messiah at the moment, but seeing I have the rare attention of folks like Aerick and the other "masked men", I've got a question that has sat smoldering in the back of my mind for quite a while. It resurfaced as I read Aerick relate the Neo4 boot proccess and I'd apprepreciate your indulgence...

When the Neo 4 first came out, I was estatic. The first direct boot mod for an NTSC PS2. Problem was, it wasn't compatable with my v1-0D. Crap! Bought a pre-modded system with a Neo 4.0 which turned out to be a v4-1A from modchip.ca. Cool. Everything worked as advertised, the kids were happy, and the chip was even stealthly enough not to be detected by PSX games like Spyro and Tomba. Muy cool.

Anyway, the biggest annoyance (especially with young kids around) turned out to be having to use an original DVD with a larger TOC to swap with a DVD-R. Not good in small hands and defeats the purpose of having backups. Then I caught wind of Hansi and the boyz over in Sweden wiring in an Origa in conjunction with the Neo 4.0 for a perfect no-swap, direct boot solution. Hallelujah! Ordered up an Origa from Lik-Sang and lucked out in locating LOD locally to do the work (which is how I first met him.)

Everything went in well together, but damn if we could duplicate the results that Hansi had with his v4 PAL unit. What we did discover was:

- Turn on the PS2 with the Reset button.
- Insert a DVD-R, boot, and wait for the RSoD.
- Eject the tray wait 5 seconds and then close it. Receive the second RSoD.
- Eject again, wait 5 sec, close again, receive a 3rd RSoD
- Eject again, wait 5 sec, close again, and Voila! The DVD-R would boot.

Like clockwork, booting a DVD-R would Red Screen three times in a row before it would finally catch and load. Consistantly - on the third boot attempt you were golden. So, we tried all the Origa wires except B, then with B, using S from the Neo, using S from the Origa, using both together, the Origa with and without the bridge. Nada. Brainstorming and grasping for straws, we tried swapping out the Neo4.0 for a more "universal" Neo4.1. No luck, same symptoms. Then tried using a Novachip in place of the Origa. Again no luck. I damn near drove LOD nutz (bless his soul...)

I also took a lot of flack from Charlie during that time over this, but hey, I didn't care about the number of wires if we could get it to work. It's a dog's lot in life...

Then Pitou, whom I had met over on Hansi's board, discovered that if you fired up the PS2 and booted any CD-R backup first, you could eject the disc, swap in any DVD-R back up, tap the Reset button and presto - it would consistantly boot any other DVD-R you tossed in afterwards on the first try as long as you didn't turn the power off and just tapped the Reset switch after changing the game disc to suck the tray in and reboot.

To this day, we don't understand why this was, but as I said, Aerick's verbiage on the boot cycle of the Neo4 triggered the whole thing again in my mind. (Sorry...)

So -- does any of the sages have a clue as to why this was, because I really hated giving up on that combo and was really hoping like hell that the two might have gotten "blended" together, as was rumored from Paul about it before the court case sent everything into the toilet. (Any background on that relationship between Raptor and the O-Brothers would be an interesting historical retrospective too.)

If nothing else -- all you young, aspiring, modchip designers -- work the DVD-R boot timing issue out, get this combo to work, boil it down, consolidate it into a single package, and you'll have yourself one hell of a competitor to any Messiah-class offering. Direct boot. Region free. Macro Vision off. (and truly faster load times. I agree with Aerick, who cares? Screw the logos...) ;)

Anyway, a moment of sincere thanx to all of you who got us to the point we are today. Regardless who did what, how, and when -- it's appreciated, and the world is a changed place because of it...

In tribute:
The world has no place for cowards, We must all be ready to toil, to suffer, to die. And yours is not the less noble because no drum beats before you when you go out to your daily battlefields, and no crowds shout your coming when you return from your daily victory and defeat.
-- Robert Louis Stevenson

Robot

11-09-2002, 02:41 AM

i found thaty by ejecting at the opening screen "sony computer entertainment" and inserting the dvdr in at this time its would boot straight off

dvdmodman

11-09-2002, 05:40 AM

all these problems have been fixed and a neobooster can be used with a neo 4 or the neo4 r
basicly works by returning the correct decoder info at the correct time same as origa or magic/messiah
it comes on a small pcb and can be gotten from hushtec
the neobooster alows a neo to function like a magic but with dvd all region.
who knows mybe the code will turn up on the web soon

.good to hear from old friends

Robot

11-09-2002, 06:25 AM

was origa 1.12 i think

Robot

11-09-2002, 06:36 AM

the 2 devices on the magic 2 modchip , are they 1)a zilix with optimised neo4 with less wires and 2 ) scenix sx28 with origa code with optimised timing?

Nightbird

11-09-2002, 11:26 PM

1.12. Yes, close the draw on the Sony screen. It takes about ten seconds, screen goes black and the game boots. Only thing with this method is that occasionally when the screen goes black, it stays black. But this very rarely happens. I'd say about one in fifteen boots, but it's better than the three reset method.

gokuguy

11-09-2002, 11:27 PM

One in fifteen boots still isnt very good.

Nightbird

11-09-2002, 11:36 PM

One botched boot in about fifteen isn't bad considering the three reset method doesn't work everytime. Even Messiah occasionally botches up a boot

Gradius

11-10-2002, 01:04 PM

Talking about Magic3 Universal Reverse Engineering.

Well, I can help with the code decryptor/unscrambling, I just need a strain and good rip from official Magic3 Universal IC. I have access to expensive algoritms books (costs over US$ 10k each) and I was the author to public the 2x4all firmware code for Pioneer DVR-A03/A04 drives (@ firmware forum).

My found outs about Magic3 IC is:

- Can be both, Ubicom or Scenix IC and it's a 28-pin SSOP (SX28AC/SS) running @ 50MHz. Code level is 99% of PIC16C57

- 2 capacitors 15pF (1 for resonator and other connected on pin 8 or RA3 [reset on magic3]) I cannot confirm the values since I don't have any magic3 here

- 1 Murata ceramic resonator 50MHz (CSA50.00MXZ040)
- 1 PCB board like Magic3 or something

Total costs: less than US$ 10 + programmer

I'm doing that just for fun, and of course, I want my own magic friend modchip installed on my ps2 console ;-)

If you can help me, e-mail me (gradius@firmware-flash.com)

Gradius

Rattle

11-10-2002, 01:17 PM

Ubicom is the same as scenix, one of them bought the other company. At least that is what I've heard.

/Rattle

Gradius

11-10-2002, 01:25 PM

Magic3 pin (and SX-28 pin)

01 - * (Vss aka GND)
02 - * (RTCC)
03 - +5V also connected with pin 15 (Vdd)
04 - * (Vdd)
05 - R (RA0)
06 - Z (RA1)
07 - S (RA2)
08 - Reset (RA3)
09 - D (RB0)
10 - C (RB1)
11 - B (RB2)
12 - A (RB3)
13 - W (RB4)
14 - GND (Vss aka GND)

15 - G (RB5)
16 - H (RB6)
17 - I (RB7)
18 - V (RC0)
19 - U (RC1)
20 - T (RC2)
21 - Q (RC3)
22 - P (RC4)
23 - O (RC5)
24 - N (RC6)
25 - M (RC7)
26 - * Resonator (OSC2)
27 - * Resonator (OSC1)
28 - +5V also connected with pin 3 (MCLR)

* I need an official Magic3 Universal to check out all pins on the PCB board or a good picture with no components at all on PCB board

Gradius

Gradius

11-10-2002, 01:38 PM

I need the capacitors values also. It's really 15pF ?

Gradius

Gradius

11-10-2002, 05:18 PM

Well, since this is the same IC as Novachip (an Origa clone), it must be not "impossible to crack". You'll never know if you don't try. ;)

Gradius

Gradius

11-10-2002, 05:21 PM

Talking about Novachip and Origa... Does anyone have the codes for these modchips?

Gradius

EnTiTy

11-10-2002, 06:27 PM

the origa codes are knocking about baldbouncer released them some time ago but if i remember nobody did anything with it because they could not work out out the fuse settings something along those lines.
EnTiTy

Lex Luther

11-11-2002, 06:34 AM

Hi 'rex' the Ruskies sent this out, I think strange things are afoot at the circle K ! Seems they want world domination on their own !

ben999_

11-11-2002, 04:20 PM

there's nothing worse than half a forum full of pissed off nerds. (i meant nerds in a good way of course;)

origa

11-12-2002, 11:38 AM

Hi All,

I'm Marco , one origa brothers.

Aerick:
>Actually, the reason there was never a Neo4 + Origa combined
>chip was due to the fact that Paul Owen pissed off the Origa
>brothers and they refused to work with anything having to do
>with him(which seems to be the case with alot of people ).
We have received an "blackmail" (I don't know if is the correct word) from owen. If we work with him, it is all right otherwise he rip the code.

My only curiosity is about the company used to extract our code from scenix.

>So Origa brothers decided they'd do their own no-swap mod
>(Origa FNS) but Sony getting involved killed that(not to mention
>the fact that FNS was a very unrealistic goal that I don't believe
>could have been achieved).
FALSE!!! Sony has not send any papers or other to us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rex:
>Origa brothers made enquiries into obtaining Actel parts and
>wanted to duplicate the Messiah design, they were 'thwarted'
>by Actel
WHAT??? What do you mean? There are many others good company...xilinx,cypress,altera,etc,etc

>Origa R.I.P. but their innovation lives on in such mods as
>Messiah / Magic / Judas / Matrix / ripper / apple and God knows
>what else etc. etc.
Origa LIVES , like hdl & c. with china-messiah :D

For everybody want the magic3 code... ask to Aerick the company name, send one or more components to it, pay some thousands euro or dollars and receive the ripped code. It is very easy.

Origa M.
www.titanchip.com

charlie_ps2

11-12-2002, 11:43 AM

It's really good to have you with us now. For many months last year and well into this year, Origachip was the only non-swap mod around (for originals) and I regard you as the father of the non-swap mod.

Stay with us. You are really welcome.

SEN

11-12-2002, 11:55 AM

Hi Rex,

PM please.

origa

11-12-2002, 12:56 PM

>Yes, for sure you make enquiry for Actel parts..
>
>Italian speaking Actel representative call to Italy, house with big
>gates and dogs... ORIGA, he meets with engineers who make
>enquiry to obtain Actel parts AND Messiah code.
>
>But, then Origa announce on website difficulty to obtain parts
>and go with other device...
>
>YES Marco, all is known !
eh eh .... :D

I know the bitch with large mouth ;)

.......I have a surprise for the code ripper.....

Origa M.

keyscoob

11-12-2002, 04:35 PM

@Guichi

Here is the email Raptor sent to the Origa Bros at the time. I think it is a little more aggressive than your post makes out.

This was widely commented on at the time if memory serves me correctly.

...

keyscoob

11-12-2002, 05:11 PM

Well perhaps I should of said only in as much as it appears to say 'do what I want and perhaps benefit or else'! Dont suppose it matters much though...

kikkus

11-12-2002, 05:42 PM

>To show my genuineness what I said was we could easily rip
>the chip -but we would much prefer to reward their efforts -
>rather than give the money to code extractors.

....and after some month, baldbouncer release the origachip code on the net...... Is it a case? I have some doubt...

Is baldbouncer a neo guy? :crazy:

To resolve my doubt I see on its site... opps... He sell the judus chip. Mhhh.... a new chip?!? Now I go on judus site, click on "links" and...

"Some Interesting Places To Visit
Digital Forums
Modshack
Worldxbox
The Playstation's Biggest Message Board"

if it is correct....
digital-forums=playstationmods=owen
Modshack=baldbouncer
Worldxbox=baldbouncer
The Playstation's Biggest Message Board=baldbouncer

Now I think ...baldbouncer is a neo guy.

Other strange thing or casuality? :confused:

The release code is the 1.1 version...Why not release the latest version (1.2)??

Some body has try the origachip 1.2 and neo4? Yes? No? I can resolve.... not work! The only one origa code working with neo is the 1.1 version

All sound very strange....

>So as you can see no blackmail there at all.
You have already the answer...

Kikkus

TheApostle

11-12-2002, 07:18 PM

Origa I think you and your brother spent a unhealthy amount of time trying to access someone's PC you believed worked on the Neo DVD all region so it's amazing you jump up and down when someone releases your code a long time after they could have.
kikkus I think you will find Modshack is owned by Hairy Monster or at least he started it and now I think it is run by a group not one person, as far as I'm aware bald bouncer does not work for Paul owen or has he ever I believe he is independent and has certainly been on the scene a very long time.
It seems a shame that after everyone else releases codes that the Origa bro's make such a fuss about it as they had a good run and it just seems a fact of life now that a chip has about 6 weeks to run before it gets hacked.
I guess this can be added to releases now :D

Simon Tibbett

11-12-2002, 08:24 PM

What is a ripped Magic3?

murcielago

11-13-2002, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by TheApostle
It seems a shame that after everyone else releases codes that the Origa bro's make such a fuss about it as they had a good run and it just seems a fact of life now that a chip has about 6 weeks to run before it gets hacked.
I guess this can be added to releases now :D

for the way this guy talks it could the titan or bluechip code:D

youngcrow

11-13-2002, 01:27 AM

Today i receive some info about the bios path that the magic and messiah uses with the offsets and patch data
Feel free to grab it!!!

Keep it cool!!!

site updated http://fly.to/magicfriend

Elucifer

11-13-2002, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Simon Tibbett
What is a ripped Magic3?

one that can be fixed with a needle and thread :lol:

j/k
Issey ;)

Rattle

11-13-2002, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by youngcrow
Today i receive some info about the bios path that the magic and messiah uses with the offsets and patch data
Feel free to grab it!!!

Keep it cool!!!

site updated http://fly.to/magicfriend

Nice info (it it's correct), a simular description of the cd/dvd-controller patch would be nice :)

/Rattle

lacyg

11-13-2002, 09:43 AM

OK

yesterday I send some info about BIOS patches to youngcrow ... and today .....;-) .... source with some comments, but in Slovak language ...
and tomorrow ?

... and for converting\disassembling xilinx jed files to abel language ... need Xilinx Foundation 1.5 or Alliance 1.5 with Xabel tools...

.... have a nice day

lacyg

11-13-2002, 09:50 AM

... and bios patches info is for PAL BIOSES ONLY

MacDennis

11-13-2002, 01:07 PM

Hi all,

Attached is a zip file containing sources for Origa v1.1 and Magic2 V5 / V7.

Sources were made from Origa v1.1 bin which was posted on the Internet a while ago and the Magic2 bin which was posted on this messageboard.

Disassembler used is still beta. The SX disassembler which can be found on the Internet is not sufficient, it doesn't disassemble all opcodes correctly.

Plz let me know if you find a bug.

Grtz,
Dennis

Cool thread btw ...

TheApostle

11-13-2002, 02:43 PM

Now of course some certain persons was claiming that a certain biblical modchip decive had remained secure for a long period of time.

However as you can now read it was busted very early and offered for sale at a rather cheap price :)

>
> From: "Mike Hertel" <mike@acdinc.com>
> Date: Thu 13/Jun/2002 01:06 GMT
> To: *******************
> Subject: RE: chip busting
>
> *****,
> we think that there has only been one version of the messiah and that
is the
> pal version. we would like to see 10K for the program, but willing to
work
> out a price. you will not be able to port it over to another device
using
> the file we have, we have th bit stream file from the original chip.
this is
> not source and we are not sure that you can convert the file to a
source.
> You need to use the silicon sculptor to program the part, cost here
is ~3K
> plus the cost of the head ~650 USD. Now the chips should be easier to
get,
> but what we heard is that messiah people bought all in stock. let me
know
> what you think.
> thanks,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ***************************
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:47 AM
> To: Mike Hertel
> Subject: Re: chip busting
>
>
> Which Messiah code do you have?, v1 doesnt mean anything to me. As
far as
> I'm aware theres only 1 version for PAL, and that is the one I'd be
> interested in. How much for this code if you have it?. I havent found
a
> cheap and fast source for the Actel chips. How much are these chips,
and
> where are they from??, the best Ive heard is $17.50. I reckon that
the
> clones are on Xilinx for these reasons.
>
> ******
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Hertel
> To: ***************
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:09 PM
> Subject: RE: chip busting
>
>
> ********,
> we have been having probllems with the lattice, but we are
thinking in
> the 25k range. Now we do have the messiah v1 code. Not source
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: *******************************
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:21 AM
> To: Mike Hertel
> Subject: Re: chip busting
>
>
> Mike,
>
> This is a Titan chip, a 'black box' reverse engineered Messiah
clone
> by the Origa brothers ( I think). I havent tested the chip yet. I use
a lot
> of Messiah chips. I wanted a price to bust it to see if it was worth
> producing these instead.
>
> Regards,
> ***************

Now perhaps one day the missing pieces in the Origa story might be told :)

murcielago

11-13-2002, 03:21 PM

Hey Mr. apostol so what is the "more.zip" ?

Robot

11-13-2002, 03:37 PM

bluechip is pretty much like magic2 , for some reason i hear it supports dvd9, better than magic 2 IMHO

the code supports v5 console only its not a universal one

murcielago

11-13-2002, 05:04 PM

so wich version is Pal or Ntsc or it work with both

Snoopy007

11-13-2002, 10:36 PM

so which blue chip code is this?

jap/us/pal?

MrSporty

11-13-2002, 10:36 PM

i can confirm that the bluechip code released by the apostle is released under the premise that it IS genuine although having reprogrammed a JUDUS chip with the given code .. it was found NOT to function.

this is not to say that the code is in anyway false as i can personally vouch for the validity of the apostles releases albeit he usually releases under a different handle :)

btw .. can anyone help me with an attachement .. i ve disassembled the v7 magic2 scenix code back to a compilable ASM but i cant seem to attatch it.

MrS

P.S .. if you wanna follow the same procedure i did .. build a JTAG cable .. and try reprogging a judas chip with the hex's , youll find the M144_x3n.jed file progs ok with the xilinx impact progger .. but the m144_x3s.jed fails at the verification due to the file setting the read_only flag.

unfortunately , neither hex works in a v7 whereas the preprogrammed judus code works a treat :(

Snoopy007

11-13-2002, 10:46 PM

but which blue chip did he extract the code from though?

jimbox

11-14-2002, 02:00 AM

good if some person this interested in that it places in this forum the diagrams of the points of the plate where estan mounted magi3/messiah/blue

EnTiTy

11-14-2002, 03:37 AM

sporty have you tested just psx games that proves its working no matter what chip it is psx games should still work on all versions.
EnTiTy

MrSporty

11-14-2002, 04:36 PM

no m8 .. but ill hook up just the SCEX and power lines as soon as i get sorted out here.

EnTiTy

11-14-2002, 09:28 PM

im still playing anyway and gone down the same road as you by the sound of it but with the magic 2 code and it wont boot psx backup it could be my pin layout its certainly doing something im not getting the red screen of death when a game boots it just stays black.
all modchips that ive tested still boot psx games even if its not compatible with the version thats one thing all mods have in common so its a start.

it's possible the outputs pins are different on the judas im waiting on a tq 95144xl package coming before messing about with the blue chip
rather than the bga thats used makes it a bit more workable for a homebrew
EnTiTy

ps2swap

11-15-2002, 07:20 AM

The blue magic uses another chip on board, is this needed to make it work? I believe it is a elan micro device? I hope im talking about the same chip, as I am in australia, this chip here is the 144 pin xilinx chip i think the elan micro chip on ours is the 14 pin devices, hope im not getting confused, there is so many out there is hard to keep up, once again, well done guys it is really fun to see!

I have attached a pdf document on the elan micro device, could somene confirm that im not talking crazy and i am think of the right chip?????

Thanks guys!

Snoopy007

11-15-2002, 10:20 AM

basically there r two chips. which people usually get confuse about cos of some people's stupid naming.

The proper name sfrom what I can tell for the two differnt chips r as follows.

- blue chip

- magic 3 blue messiah ( what ps2swap is talking about)

btw, the blue chip came out way b4 magic 2 or the magic 3 blue messiah.

cipcipstore

11-15-2002, 10:26 AM

Ok, great work.
Now we can find all the best source code for PS2 modchip !!!!
So we can do a chip with our hand with a little programmer.

But I want to ask to all : WHERE THE DIAGRAMS ?

How we can install the chip without a diagram ????

Now the code source is useless !!! I think is all false only for talk.

We want the real tests !!!!!

MrSporty

11-15-2002, 09:55 PM

btw .. that is the v7 asm .. the v5 is almost identical except for the last 15 or so instructions at the end of each of the 3 regional pages

MrS

ps2swap

11-15-2002, 10:04 PM

the more.zip that was posted by TheApostle, i am assuming it is for the blue messiah code and it is V5 PAL? Can someone please correct me if I am wrong. Has anyone actually ripped the 14 pin device that is on there?

Thanks for the reply!

Gradius

11-17-2002, 11:54 PM

LOL. :D

Gradius

Raptor

11-21-2002, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by keyscoob
@Guichi

Here is the email Raptor sent to the Origa Bros at the time. I think it is a little more aggressive than your post makes out.

This was widely commented on at the time if memory serves me correctly.

...

You must read english different than anybody else then bud

I was nice as pie in that email - it was a freindly offer, showing that I could have easily gone down the underhanded route like everyone seems to do in the mod scene these days - instead we went direct to them and made a nice offer

TBH i'm a little tired of all the "Owen" bashing without defending myself. We did absolutley nothing wrong. We had a coder and a hardware designer - who were both paid VERY well - ub fact paid before even we were, for anyone to say different is not true. We came up with the FIRST no swap mod of any kind and it worked. Sure it was a lot of wires, but the point was it worked - not to mention multiregion dvd which still hasnt been acheived by anyone else on a mod. We were busted in the biggest way - we were #1 and #2 defendants they wanted NEO not Messiah - we were threatened with Jail, ££££ lawsuit - we had to come up with names, addresses, ppl involved - and we gave them nothing. Paid the ££ price big time and risked our entire livliehood - but you live by the sword and die by it and we have never moaned or complained about it. So please neough bashing we've done nothing wrong here - short memories when NEO chips were the only ones you could use - simple 12c508 simple swap and it was all great - sure things move on and that should all be resigned to another chapter. We run a successful company now with many happy people that we deal with in and out of the scene - so can't we all just get along ?

PS2 Mods have progressed vastly, messiah was awesome, and now we have magic3 / messiah 2 on cheap IC's that pretty much do everything you need - and from what I can see for less than £20

its also nice to see all these codes released - it's also funny how i get lots of bashing on one hand but the same ppl love the guys who release these codes on the other hand. I help a lot behind the scenes with various stuff - just for fun but I never post on it personally - no need to go hunting for glory, it dosnt matter who releases what code - as long as it gets released.

and Origa - your code was ripped by acdinc for the guy who had a mod stall in Bowlers - hes not there now due to a nasty bust. It wasnt leeched by me or anyone else involved with me - so please get over it - you make a mod it gets ripped - thats life - it happens to all mod makers. After all you are ripping yourself arent you ?

Yes I used to have the same attitude but i'm over all this war rubbish now - the scene should go back to the homebrew (just like XBOX scene) - if you wanna buy a mod great its there for you to buy - if you wanna make your own - sure theres the codes. It's nice to see Guichi and Xainaix trying to push the scene back to homebrew - they're both nice guys and Xainaix i've known for a long time, thank you for shining some light on this once great scene, hopefully it will emerge better for it in the near future.

you'll be seeing a lot more codes and developments from various sources i'm sure. Hopefully we get back to the PSX days when it was about playing games.

and Magic3 is out there ( M.I.C.-.K.W.S.-.2.0.0.2. ) - no doubt it'll be posted somewhere soon

PS Xaniax and Guichi - www.ps2newz.com works fine for me here - you said it doesnt point to www.ps2newz.net - anyone else not see it working correctly ?

Raptor

11-21-2002, 12:19 PM

that bluechip is J v5

TheApostle

11-21-2002, 02:02 PM

and Origa - your code was ripped by acdinc for the guy who had a mod stall in Bowlers - hes not there now due to a nasty bust. It wasnt leeched by me or anyone else involved with me - so please get over it - you make a mod it gets ripped - thats life - it happens to all mod makers. After all you are ripping yourself arent you ?

Totally true. Mr Owen was never in possession of the said origa code. It was aquired thru surveillance operations of so called modchip developers. I have posted the 'proof' emails below. for XXXXXXXXXXXX replace with now presumably retired ex-bowlers fitter D______ W_______ aka mod____.co.uk.

> From: "Mike Hertel" <mike@acdinc.com>
> Date: Sat 13/Jan/2002 01:08 GMT
> To: "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX" <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX>
> Subject: RE: chip busting
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX,
> here is the file, we are not sure of the setting of the osc etc, jsut
read a
> secured chip and you can see all that info.
> Thanks,
> Mike
> Ps I am trusting you on the wire!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX]
> Sent: fri, Jan 12, 2002 11:14 AM
> To: Mike Hertel
> Subject: Re: chip busting
>
>
> Mike,
> I have wired in US$1000 into your account: -
> Bank Prosperity Bank & Trust
>
> 5803 Rolling Road
>
> Springfield, VA 22152 USA
>
> Account Name Advanced Circuit Designs, Inc
>
> Account Number 1007711912
>
> Rounting Number 056005075
>
>
>
> As I said before, I need this file NOW, thats why I said Id pay by
Pay Pal
> because that is real time. The money wont show in your account for a
few
> days, but send me the stuff NOW. I can mail you scanned in money
transfer
> document if you want some proof.
>
> Please mail the file, zipped up and protected by password, I'll
speak to
> you on the phone for the password. I also need target chip and fuse
> settings.
>
> You dont need to worry about me selling the file. I'm in the
business of
> fitting chips to consoles, and selling chips, I wont sell the file.
>
> Regards,
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Hertel
> To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> Sent: Friday, Jan 11, 2002 9:59 PM
> Subject: RE: chip busting
>
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX,
> wire is better, I will be in the office all day Wednesday. I do
not
> think I can go as low as 500, 1K will work. JUST aslong as you do not
sell
> the file. I still have to get paid by the person that wanted it done
and
> that is 3.8K
> thanks,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX]
> Sent: Friday, Jan 11, 2002 1:42 PM
> To: Mike Hertel
> Subject: Re: chip busting
>
>
> Mike,
> Ive tried to call you a few times but can never get you. I need
this
> file quick, otherwise its no use to me. I can pay you by pay pal if
you want
> money up front.
>
> Regards,
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> To: Mike Hertel
> Sent: Friday, Jan 11, 2002 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: chip busting
>
>
> Hi Mike,
> RE: Origa Pal 1.1
> I will pay $500US for it. If this is agreeable with you, mail
me the
> file, fuse settings, and what chip it goes on, and I'll mail you the
money.
>
> Regards,
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>
>
> -- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Hertel
> To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> Sent: Friday, Jan 11, 2002 1:51 AM
> Subject: RE: chip busting
>
>
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX,
> we have the pal v1.1 we have not done any of the other
xilinx, we
> are looking at it now.
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX [mailto:XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX]
> Sent: Satrsday, Jan 05, 2002 12:33 PM
> To: Mike
> Subject: chip busting
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Do you already have any of the Origa codes??, pretty much
any 1
> of them will do me. If so let me know.
>
> How much to bust( all these details are read off the
chip): -
>
>
>
> Xilinx
> XCR3256XL
> FT256APN0209
> F1209330A
> 10C-ES

I should imagine the email address sorry@playstationmods.com will now be full and overflowing.

As a footnote I feel the modchip scene is a lot poorer for the enforced retirement of Mr Owen and his development team. He was the person responsible for moving the PS2 scene forward in one action and towards professionally made and reliable modchip devices. He was (and still is in other business dealings) the only supplier who you could trust to deliver.

It is a real shame more people couldnt be bother to read the terms of the injunction secured against him and others as then perhaps many more people would understand why he cannot comment fully on all issues.

Magic3 is out there ( M.I.C.-.K.W.S.-.2.0.0.2. ) - no doubt it'll be posted somewhere soon

I will have a small wager on that myself ;)