DVD-R and DVD+R

[charlie_ps2]

General Information
As with CD-R, DVD-R/DVD+R (DVDR) uses an organic dye polymer that reacts to around 10 milli-watts recording power. Because DVDR holds around 7 times CD-R capacity the laser wavelength is shorter (650nm red against 780nm infrared) and the DVDR recording lens has a nominal aperture of 0.6 against CD-R of 0.5. These two factors combine through the higly focused red laser beam to produce opaque burned marks as small as 0.44um as compared with 0.83um on CD-R.

The dye polymer is coated onto an optically clear polycarbonate substrate that has a microscopic groove (known as the pre-groove), 650nm deep, formed as a spiral track across the surface. Behind that a thin layer of reflective metal is sprayed and then optically clear protective layers are applied to form the disk that we see.

For recording, the tightly focused (on the pre-groove) laser beam heats the dye polymer, permanently altering its state (to opaqueness) such that microscopic marks are formed in the pre-groove, the length of which depending on the time during which the laser was turned on. These marks correspond with the raised portions of a pressed DVD and are thus non-reflective or insufficiently reflective (provided that laser burning power was adequate) to register upon reading.

For reading, the areas between marks, not being opaque, are reflective when a tightly focused laser beam of much lower power at 650nm wavelength is sent to the pre-groove.

Data is then streamed by noting the transition from reflective to non-reflective and the length of time to the next transition. A digital-to-analogue decoder then converts this 0/1 stream to data as we know it

So the critical factors that enable a DVDR to be accurately read (assuming a clean lens) are:
a Sufficient power to burn opaque marks
b Sufficient precision to burn marks of the correct length and with sharp edges
c Good quality dye polymer to enable the above characteristics to apply
d Sufficient precision in the reader to correctly stream what was correctly written
e Sufficient power in the DVDR read laser to meet the reflectivity characteristics of the DVDR

The relevant ECMA standards require the read laser to accommodate reflectivity in the range 45% to 85%. If the media doesn't make it into this range, then there s no guarantee that the DVDR will be readable. Reflectivity is a function of the metallic layer and the optical clarity of the protective layers.

Competing Standards
DVD-R
This format sort of "came first" governed by the formal standard ECMA 279 (http://www.ecma.ch/ecma1/stand/Ecma-279.htm). All DVD-ROM drives are supposed to be able to handle DVD-Rs burned to this standard and thus within the correct reflectivity range. Sony would calibrate their lasers to work within the 45% to 85% range. DVD-R can burn at a maximum of 2x.

Without going into too much detail, DVD-R uses pre-set sector address information that synchronises at write time. This is the reason why burning speed is constrained to 2x because this has to be read and synchronised.

DVD+R
This is a competing standard backed by Philips, HP, Sony, Yamaha and Ricoh. The essence of DVD+R is its first incarnation as DVD+RW (ECMA 274 http://www.ecma.ch/ecma1/stand/Ecma-274.htm). DVD+RW uses a wobbled groove the count of which replaces the DVD-RW sector address synchronisation during the burn process. DVD+R is the write-once version, also with a polymer dye so that the burned result is narly identical with DVD-R. The "nearly" term reflects the fact that newer read laser mechanisms are more accurate and can resolve the small differences between DVD-R and DVD+R arising from the fact that DVD+R can be burned at 2.4x because of the wobbled groove.

This means that DVD+R can theoretically be read on any PS2 with a good quality/condition laser, such as the v5 and it has been reported as successful on a v3 - though not many v3s these days have new condition lasers!

As ever, this information is provided at your own risk to use.

[h90]

Today I tested a v5 and a v3 (day of release purchased in Europe) and very hard used (neo 2.0 with 1 microfarad capacitor, laser turned on more) from children all the time. After installing a original messiah, it could read CD+RW without any problems, like Originals!

Michael
www.psxtune.com

[charlie_ps2]

That's a "second" if you played CD+RW on a v3. I've heard of just one other person accomplishng this and with DVD+R as well. It's not impossible - it just requires the laser to be right.

[h90]

Now I am at 3 v3, 1 v4 and 1 v5 PS2 without problems on DVD+R
All with our original Messiah.
The DVD+R I got from a customer was made with a Philips on Philips DVD+R.
One v3 wanted to see the DVD+R very near and scratched it with the laser eye. But after a very minimal adjustment it worked perfect. But this PS2 was in very poor conditions.
Michael
www.psxtune.com

[5150]

charlie_ps2, I'm from Sao Paulo, Brazil.

I've found your information very useful and I have a question?

Can I translate your text to Portuguese and post it in a Brazilian forum?

thanks, and keep up the good work!

cya!

[salman.a]

does ps2 v7 play dvd+R please let me konw thanks

[Don6323]

Yes it does salman.a my v7 seems to like the +R disk better than the -R. I installed the magic 2 a couple of weeks ago and seemed like it only would boot first time using sony +R media memorex tdk imation all would take 2 or 3 taps of the reset. So I opened it back up and adjusted the laser. This guide realy needs to be updated charile since the values and pics don't reflect any current PS2. The default values were 1100 ohms for the pot on the left and 1500 ohms for the right. I lower both by 100 ohms now everything boots first time. I don't know if this will cause my laser to burn out quicker but this was not a large ajustment so I should be ok.

Hope this helps


Don

[salman.a]

Thanks Don.
I have my ps2 v7 in for installation. The installer installed it but it wouldn't load the games. I gave him another ps2 and he is currently working on it. Are the new p7 need the laser to be adjusted or something else is wrong with the units. Please let me know. Thanks again guys.

[Don6323]

Have you tried non DVD PS2 games this will tell you if the install is good if it boot a cdr PS2 backup. If this cks out look to charlie for the optimal setting of the pots on a v7 since he has done many installs.

Post what the factory settings are for yours. I read somewhere in this forum that the pots are all over the place on the v7 units.

Don6323

[Kemikals 2003]

DVD+R has a better loading rate than DVD-R. I have had this issue as well. I am now resorting to backing up on DVD+R media for my PS2 DVD games.

The only DVD-R media that does not give me problems is the Meritline DVD-R SilverTop.

Other than that the Memorex DVD+R has been loading each and everytime. (From standby - double tap the RESENT button to load a DVD+R media)

S.

V7 PS2 w/ M2 V7

[Bboy_breakout]

Hey, i was wondering if i could use a dvd+r burner and burne dvd+r for my version 1 playstation 2

[Kemikals 2003]

Highly - UNLIKELY. I think there are postings that states that the DVD+R media will only work for V5 and UP.

But hey try and see for yourself

K2K3

[freeride]

So is DVD+R a better standard to use? There are DVD-R burners and DVD+R burners and DVD RAM burners. Can a DVD-R burners burn onto DVD+R media or vice versa? Is it the media - or + or the burner?


For us with old PS2's if any kind of burned DVD's wont boot shouldnt we be able to put in a new drive and the PS2 and it should then read them fine since its a new drive? Or are there other reasons V1-3 have troubles reading DVDR?

[trumpetguyscw]

I have a v4 GT3 Pack PS2. I have played few backups, and the laser is only 1 year old. What format should I go for, DVD-R or DVD+R? I hear mixed opinions, I have had a friend backup FFX International on a DVD-R and it played without any problems whatsoever, but some of the HP 200i writers are cheaper than the Pioneer drives. What should I go with, a Pioneer A03, a Panasonic DVD-RAM/R Drive, or the HP 200i DVD+R Drive? Thanks, please let me know as soon as possible, I'd like this to be a christmas present :)

[Kemikals 2003]

Hrmm. How about the SONY DVD+/-R+/-RW. That way you got the best of both worlds.

K2K3

[trumpetguyscw]

I don't have enough money to buy that thing, i'm looking for a DVD-RW or DVD+RW Drive on eBay for as cheap as possible. Which format of drive should I go with for my v4 GT3 pack ps2? Thanks

[Kemikals 2003]

If you are gonna put price over quality - then get the Pioneer A04. Everyone says it works. It is even preferred over many other burners.

K2K3

[Schmo]

Well, I have a Pioneer A04 and have burned a few games on Riteks with absolutely no problems. Yes, this even includes GTA:VC... I just burned it last night but played it without any problems for about 30 mins. I haven't had much more time with it but most people have seen their issues with it within that time frame.

I have been doing all my burns at 1X for DVD-R and 4X for CD-R.

[razorr69]

i have a v1 ps2 what dvd will work with mine? I would like to know before i buy a burner.

[SledDog]

Originally posted by razorr69
i have a v1 ps2 what dvd will work with mine? I would like to know before i buy a burner.

TDK, Verbatim, Pioneer, Apple, and the 2x certified Meritline (silver or white tops) from www.meritline.com burned at 2x all work with my v1 with a Magic 2 v3 chip.

They also sell the Riteks, but caution that they are 1x burn only unless you've updated your A04/104 firmware to v1.33 to use them at 2x reliably.

[trumpetguyscw]

I have found that TDK DVD-R's are the best, they will even play demanding games such as FFX with no problem. Problem is, here in Missouri it's getting harder and harder to find these, as DVD+R discs are replacing the DVD-R discs, at least at the big stores around here like Circuit City & Best Buy.
Since its getting hard to find Verbatim & TDK DVD-R's around here, how are the Memorex DVD-R's? They are about the only one's left on sale in single disc packs, and was wondering if they'd work in burning a copy of GTA: Vice City.

[Kemikals 2003]

If they are as good as their +R media type then I would say - go for it. I have NOT had any problems with Memorex +R media. I am sure that their -R media will also come through.

K2K3

[ps374]

Actually memorex dvd-r have caused some problems for people, including me, I very rarely ever have bad burns but had 2 out of a 10 pack a couple months ago, used some about a year ago and they were fine but the dye looks like its a different shade now. TDK always goes great for me (one of my favorites) this is the cheapest I've found them, which is still alot, post if you can get them cheaper http://www.jandr.com/JRProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=1&Product_Id=2909065
also I ordered some of those Meritline silvers&whites that K and Balto were talking about (they sound promising):)

[trumpetguyscw]

yeah burned vice city to a TDK at 1x with no problems :)

[vdealer]

just curious, anyone uses maxell dvd-r's yet. I see them in stores, but haven't seen any results posted here.

[SledDog]

They should be ok as I've noticed that some of the recent Apple discs are OEMed Maxells and I haven't had a problem with them at 2x yet.

[trumpetguyscw]

Any United States people know where to get Verbatim Datalife Plus DVD+R's? Best Buy and Circuit City keep wanting to sell those colored DVD+R's from Verbatim that don't boot worth a crap in my ps2. Anybody know any national electronics stores that sell a lot of Verbatim's, for example, Office Max? Thanks

[trumpetguyscw]

I had Maxell CD-R's and they worked almost as good as Verbatim's, so i'd assume their DVD+R or DVD-R media would be equally superior. I would say the only brands to stay away from would be Memorex and any generic brand cheap DVD-R's

[vdealer]

k one more question, what type of dvd-r is best for ps2 games. I see types like general purpose or authoring and some that say digital versatile disc. So which is it? Thanks for the help.

[ps374]

" digital versatile disc" = DVD
"I see types like general purpose or authoring" The authoring dvdr won't burn in the general purpose burners like a03,a04, a05 ,sony dru500..... and so on, not even sure if they would boot in a ps2 as never had any experience with any.

[Clouduz]

OK I know this is kinda a stupid question after reading all this, but i'm still not sure which is better for my ps2. + or - I have a V4R
should be getting my chipped ps2 2day, and don't want 2 waste an expensive dvdr. Someone PLEASE help!!!

[moe]

I've modded a lot of V7's but only 2 V4's.
DVD+R's have worked flawlessly in every one of them.
I use Fujifilm (fairly inexpensive) with 100% success. Every one has worked perfectly so far. Don't know about V4R specifically, though.

Moe

[trumpetguyscw]

I had a v4 and DVD+R sucked in it, I am getting a v7 so I can boot them from now on.
I believe the v4R has the same laser unit as a v4, but if it doesn't, it should boot DVD+R as good as the newer units. If it has the laser unit like my standard v4, fat chance of it reading DVD+R, it'll only read DVD-R then. If anyone can answer this maybe they can help.

[gamesolutions]

I am wondering what are the best settings for the POT on a PS2 version 7 are. I Have a magic 3 installed on the system and it playes all burnt backups but wont play original ps2 dvd games. Does having a mod chip installed cause you to have to adjust your systems pot settings? Oh i have seen alot of burnt dvd games on regular cd-r's, i am wondering how this is possible and what the difference between using a dvd+r and a regular cr-r is?
<br>I keep seeing ask charlie for information about optimal POT settings, who is he and how do i contact him?<br><br> Thankx for any information!<br>Mike

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by gamesolutions
I am wondering what are the best settings for the POT on a PS2 version 7 are. I Have a magic 3 installed on the system and it playes all burnt backups but wont play original ps2 dvd games. Does having a mod chip installed cause you to have to adjust your systems pot settings? Oh i have seen alot of burnt dvd games on regular cd-r's, i am wondering how this is possible and what the difference between using a dvd+r and a regular cr-r is?
<br>I keep seeing ask charlie for information about optimal POT settings, who is he and how do i contact him?<br><br> Thankx for any information!<br>Mike
Did the PS2 play DVD games before the Magic 3 was installed? Having a mod chip should not require you to change your pot settings. Please refer to the thread on Laser Clicking for an explanation of what's happening. Also in the FAQ section there is a post dedicated to the DVD-R/DVD+R question.

My Magic 2 & Messiah 2 Troubleshooting Guides have relevant suggestions for DVD not playing. Please read that.

Finally. I'd rather you didn't contact me behind the scenes. The forum is the place for technical questions.

[tec9]

noticed whenn shoping around 2 different types of tdk 4.7gig general disks DVD-R47SAX and DVD-R47AAX which ones to get?

[tec9]

wich ones are u guys usin if your usin tdk?

[ps374]

On the single disc they only say R47A on the five packs they say R47AAX these ones load about as fast as originals burnt at 2X.

[tec9]

wht about the DVD-R47SAX

[KenG]

i have a jap 18000
what are the chances of DVD+r working on it?

thanks

[mickey_t]

Hi
I'm getting a USB mod and Action Replay for my PS2. I was wondering will both DVD-R and DVD+R backups work okay on it. Also I was thinking of getting a Pioneer DVR 103/A03 writer - will this copy -R backups okay? - thats all I need it for.

[trumpetguyscw]

Search the forums buddy.

With the right version of Gameshark, yes, but you will need a Gameshark v1.93. I suggest you just go for a no swap chip and save yourself the money and damage on your ps2.

[charlie_ps2]

Originally posted by KenG
i have a jap 18000
what are the chances of DVD+r working on it?

thanks
Nil, I'm afraid.

[Reek]

I have a Ps2 model number 30001 R v5 and it plays both Dvd+r and Dvd+rw ps2 back up's with no problems.
The mod chip i'm using is the Magic 3.6

[SledDog]

Originally posted by mickey_t
Hi
I'm getting a USB mod and Action Replay for my PS2. I was wondering will both DVD-R and DVD+R backups work okay on it. Also I was thinking of getting a Pioneer DVR 103/A03 writer - will this copy -R backups okay? - thats all I need it for.

If I recall correctly, the USB mod can't boot DVD backups regardless of the version of GS2 you use. CD-Rs only.

The A03/103 is fine as I have one and it works perfect with either PrimoDVD or RecordNow. Be sure to flash the firmware to at least rev1.80 and don't forget to apply the Px Engine update to either PrimoDVD or RecordNow.

[mickey_t]

Thanks Balto,
It says on modchip.com (http://www.modchip.com/ps2/usbmodorder.htm) that the USB mod will boot psx backups with just the USB mod, but requires an Action Replay 2 or Gameshark 2 to boot PS2 backups. By this do they mean PS2 cdrs or both PS2 CDRs and DVDs?
Any info you have would be really appreciated,
Thanks.

[Bgnome]

you can boot a ps2 cdr behind a gs2/ar2 using a usb mod. it will not help you boot dvdrs. you would still need to do the knife/card swap using a gs2/ar2 and an original dvd game with a large TOC.

[mickey_t]

Thanks Bgnome,
So in a nutshell, Say if I backup a game like GTA:Vice City, to Boot it I need USB mod and Action Replay2. I firstly boot an original game with larger TOC i.e. Gran Turismo 3 and then do the swap trick. It should boot fine then shouldn't it? Would I be better off just getting a Magic 3.1 and be very careful with my soldering??

[Bgnome]

you dont need the usb mod for dvdr. it wont do anything for you. you boot up the ar2, put in a dvd game so the TOC can be read, then swap trick when it isnt spinning..
much better off getting a no-swap, even if it is a magic 3.1

[The_Punisher]

I bought a memorex dvd+rw drive, I am totally new to everything, and understanding dvd concepts, so can i burn a dvd-r with my dvd+rw drive?

[ps374]

No, they are different formats the only current model that does both dvd-r dvd+r is the sony dru-500....you should be able to do dvd+r and dvd+rw

[assassinmunky]

hmm, i have a ps2 v7 with magic 3.5 , but i cant get it to work.

i tried using some cheap branded dvd+r discs, but no go, although they work perfectly wwith my xbox

i also tried a plextor cdrw which works great with my xbox, but no go with the ps2

could it be that my modchip is installed wrong? eventhough all originals boot fine?

thnx for your help guyS!

btw, i have a hp200i

[SledDog]

No, it means the laser in your PS2 doesn't like cheapo DVD+Rs and CD-RWs. CD-RWs rarely work anyway due to their low reflectivity...

[G_MaGiC]

I have a Sony 510AX and Prassi Primo will not recognize that the DVD RW is even there? Does anyone have any suggestions? What is the best software to back up PS2 games? I have heard many different opinions?

[RAISTLIN]

Originally posted by G_MaGiC
I have a Sony 510AX and Prassi Primo will not recognize that the DVD RW is even there? Does anyone have any suggestions? What is the best software to back up PS2 games? I have heard many different opinions?

Have you uodated the PX Engine? Get it here:

http://www.veritas.com/us/products/recordnow/drivers/

That is usually the best fix for issues with Primo. I know it had some issues with the Pioneer A05 when it first came out, but new PX engines seem to have fixed it--may be the same for your Sony.

It might not hurt to check your ASPI layer as well. There are some freaky problems with the early 4.7x series releases. (check out the "ASPI Link" sticky for some links for checkers and updates/downgrades.

Raist

[torypsx]

I recently found a killer deal that I must share. I purchased the Panasonic DVD-R/RW DVD-RAM Super Burner II for $174.00. This unit is bare OEM so you'll have to find your own dvd burning software ( I recommend Nero). But let me tell you it is an awesome piece of hardware. Can burn dvd-r at 6x !!! check out this link http://www.esbuy.com/subuiidv.html . The price and service is top notch. You'll thank me later!

[Banacek]

I own a PS2 v1 and I'm looking to get a DVD burner and a modchip soon. Now do you think it'd be better to just get a new PS2 with a modchip already installed, or go ahead with this one and get a DVD-R drive? Thanks in advance..

[bighap]

Moding a v1 is a waste of time and money. V1s had shit lasers. I would sell your v1 on ebay or something and buy a new premod.

[Banacek]

That's what i was thinking. I wonder if it would look odd if i traded in a PS2 and put the money towards a new PS2? :)

[bighap]

You won't get as much on a trade in. Sell it on ebay. I sold my v1 with 5 games for $285. Just don't mention what the version is.

[carnyharhar]

Originally posted by bighap
Moding a v1 is a waste of time and money. V1s had shit lasers. I would sell your v1 on ebay or something and buy a new premod.

I dunno about that....my bud has a v1 jap ps2, with messiah 2, works fine on his....but he only uses verbs

[bighap]

Consider your friend lucky.

[CJLevinsk22]

I have an unmodded v7 and it can read DVD-R and DVD+R just fine. I guess it depends on the media, but it read my Ritek discs perfectly.

-CJLevinsk22

[bighap]

v7 has a good laser. v1 lasers sucked.

[Script]

I have a V5 PS2 with a DMS3 v2 installed. I was thinking of buying the

"Verbatim Internal DVD+RW/CD-RW Drive

Model: VBTDVRW4A"

Here is a quote from best buys website

"Quickly burn movies, music and data to DVD+R media. Writes at speeds up to 4x; stores up to 4.7GB on one DVD+RW disc. Includes a host of software titles for your burning and backup projects."

The reason I want to get this one is because
1: it looks like the better out of the two that my local "Best Buy'' caries
2: my buddy can get me it at 50% off the price because he works there.

Will this burner work???

[RAISTLIN]

This will probably start another nasty debate, but I have a v5 NTSC myself:

Get a -R capable drive--the -R format is more consistently reliable in the PS2.

Wal-Mart Supercenter's are now starting to carry a Hitachi/LG burner that does 2X/1X DVD-R/RW, CD-R/RW and DVD-RAM (Everything but DVD+R/RW) for under $200.00 in most markets.

Or you could nab a Cendyne (Rebadged Pioneer A05) for under $200.00 from Staples.

Raist

[bighap]

Fry's has the A05 for only $200

[azntekkan]

does any know if pine dvd-r's work for magic 3.1 on v7?

[Cloud_Strife237]

When you backup a ps2 DVD, is it supposed to by ISO MODE 1, because I can backup ps2 CDs and they are mode 2!

[RAISTLIN]

DVD's are in UDF format--mode 1/mode 2 is for CD's only. PS and PS2 CD's are in Mode 2 format.

Raist

[Laoan]

Hi i have a cd burner! but why i can´t burn a dvd-rw disc? it´s says put in a cd/dc-rw disc! Must i have dvd to burn a game into dvd-rw disc? i mean i have cd-bruner and i gone buy dvdrom then i put the dvd-rw disc into dvdrom and than i can burn???!

[beanerpapa]

Laoan,

CD burners and DVD burners are two quite different things. If I undertand your question, the answer is yes, you need a DVD burner to burn a DVD.

And no, a DVD ROM will not burn. That is for read only. That's what ROM stands for.

[LordGus]

Ehh, of course you would need a DVD-burner to burn DVD-rw. I am not sure I fully understand your post but if you buy a burner that supports DVD-rw you can burn DVD-rw. (not that complicated)

[R0bTh3h4x0r]

i heard about SNES-STATION, it's an emulator for SNES, that plays of the PS2- I have a DMS3 chip installed for about 2 weeks now. I have made"back-ups":cheers: of all me games including some PS1 games. I do have a DVD-R burner.

Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone heard of this emulator for the PS2?

[bighap]

A little off topic. Yes it works ok, can be a little bit laggy. Better if you disable sound.

[rgbintx]

Originally posted by bighap
Fry's has the A05 for only $200

I bought a Pine (Pioneer) A05 for $149 Thursday at Fry's not on sale.
This is the Pioneer. It just says Pine on the box. Even the device shows up as Pioneer and the drivers say Pioneer A05. It is a great fast burner. It also comes with Nero and Power DVD!

[rgbintx]

Do any versions play DVD+RW's? I know my v4 does not.

[bighap]

v5 and up play dvd+rw no problem.

[tec9]

if your in canada futureshop has ao5 for like 150 canadian right now. thats about 100 us

btw i was thinkin bout upgradin to a dual format ao6 or a sony dru 10a wich can e had for like 250 canadian up here just wondern if either of these units can burn ritek go3 at 2x with or without new firmware? or if im stuck at 1x with these on newer units.
any other good dual format dvd burners?

[tec9]

forgot to ask
do the pioneer a06 units do these go3 disks at 2x?

[bighap]

I don't think they do with the firmware preinstalled with it. They will be some hacked firmware released for it soon that will allow it, like there has been for every other Pioneer.

[MaCe1337]

my pal v5 reads everything no prob, cheap ass stuff too
cd-r cd-rw dvd-r dvd-rw dvd+r dvd+rw and cd+r :p

[tec9]

Pioneer DVR-106D v1.07 - RPC-1 + 2xDVD-R + 12xRip
just saw the other day works great

[grond]

I have only tried backed-up movies...and it does play some. I haven't checked any games as of yet....only because I can't find any good tutorials on how to back up PS2 games. Any suggestions?

[bighap]

Here (http://www.ps2newz.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=3442)

Make sure you use RNM 4.50.

[con]

I have a jap schp10000 and just took the chance and (It might be luck) DVD+RW worked fine.

[jonttuT]

I have V5 pal DMS3 v2 and DVD+R works fine

[MUSHX]

v1 ps2 w/ neo 4.1. I"M AMAZED!!!!!
DVD+R (memorex) works great

[kwabena03]

I have an HP dvd+r and I ordered a V9 with DMS3. So from what I have been reading, I should not have any problems with dvd+r/rw unless the media I use is of low quality. Is this correct?

[bighap]

Correct. A v9 should have no problem with quality +r media.

[kwabena03]

Thanks!

[Tannah]

Anyone have any thoughs or comments on if the new 8.5gb DVD+R DL coming out in april? Do you think it will work on the PS2?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/33733.html says" The discs are playback-compatible with existing DVD players and DVD-ROM drives"

[RAISTLIN]

It all depends on the reflectivity level, the diameter of the pits, and TOC layout. If it falls in the 65% + reflectivity and doesn't rely on a thinner beam than it wil likely read fine in the newer boxes. There might be some issues though if the first layer doesn't go out to 4.38 though. Those full DVD-5's might not work right if they have to deal with a layer break in there.

It's just one of those things we won't know until we see it tested.

Besides, there are only a handfull of games out there that would need dual layer discs for 1:1 duping. In the short-term, it would still be cheaper to just buy the originals (or rent them for a few weeks).

Raist

[CHUG]

So better to use Ritek DVD-R media than DVD+R or anything else?

Is the LG-4040B DVD burner any good for Ps2 games? I'm thinking of getting it since it seems to have gotten good reviews and is cheap.

[subzero1970]

I have a version 5 PS2 and the dvd+r's i've burned just dont work, could it be because im using swap magic and not a modchip??? Any help would be appreciated.

[bighap]

Could be, but it is likely your media. Try some Verbatim, Ritek, or TDK dvd-r

[RAISTLIN]

+R has been reported as a bit flaky in the v5 and older. It's really only proven trustworthy on the v7 up, about 50/50 on the v5's depeniding on some spec. firmware, etc. You'd probably have more success with -R if your drive can burn it. Otherwise, you're gonna have to spend the $$ for high quality media, possibly even 4X media with a 2X burn. To be on the safeside, it might not hurt to check your firmware against the media to make sure it's supported. Some of those firmware updates were just updates to the media burn capabilities list. See the sticky up top about testing media on Pioneer drives for more info on doing this.

Raist

[subzero1970]

I cant burn -r's only +r's and rw's. I've tried two different kinds of media, verbatim and datasafe, but to be honest im not EXACTLY sure which version of PS2 I have, how do i check it.



Ricoh MP5125 Dvd Writer.

[bighap]

Look here (http://www.psx-paul.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/console/playstation/ps2versionreference.htm)

[subzero1970]

ahhh its a v9!!!

[Iceblazedragon]

anyone know how to burn PS2 games with Nero6 (newst version)

[rgbintx]

Originally posted by Iceblazedragon
anyone know how to burn PS2 games with Nero6 (newst version)

Nero is the easiest to use...well, nero express is. First, select Image recorder (DVD) on the first screen that you can do anything on. also, on the same screen, select "Copy entire disc".
On the next screen, select source drive and destination drive. If you are saving onto the hard drive, select Image Recorder, THen click burn.

NExt Screen pops up, what folder and filename to save as.


To burn saved game from hard drive to DVD+/-R, On the first screen, select Disc Image or Saved Project, then select the appropriate title from where you saved it earlier. Select drive letter in which the blank media is in, and click burn...that is all there is to it!

[msdossys]

Wait am i reading this correct... I can take an original PS2 DVD game (say, SSX3), do a copy with nero on my computer, and pop the DVD+R into my PS2 that has no mod chip, and it will boot and play like the original??

[bighap]

No. You need a mod.

[vador]

I just want to say that i have 4 games in dvd's (Mmore DVD+R) and they work better than any game in DVD-R, they load fast.. :D

I have a v5 has u can see above ;)

[Ridin22inches]

i got a pic of the ps3.. its scheduled to come out in 2007 but im not sure if it will i put the pic on my homepage... check it out
**MOD EDIT** Moron

[Rono220]

hey i am getting the A106 and was wondering what would be the best DVD-r to burn with, i think i should go with a -r, because i have a V3 with a Messaiah 2, i was looking at Meritline dvd-r's but there are so many what should i get?

[bighap]

Ritek is the way to go.

[Rono220]

yeah but what kind?

and what kind of color? Silver Shiney? Mattae? Purple? there are many to choose from!





Thanks Rono

[bighap]

The top doesn't matter. Get G03 if you want 2x or G04 for 4x.

[Rono220]

thanks man

Rono

[bighap]

;)

[SoccerDomeJones]

Yeah man, DVD+R/+RW dont work, what y'all skanks gotsta do is just use DVD-R/-RW, actually I have tested it with GTA3, and SOCOM 1, the DVD-RW's do work on ps2.































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[SoccerDomeJones]

whoops, sorry bout that skanks, I think there was an error.

[DanYama]

i have a V3 with a DMS3 v2.0

what should i use??

DVD-R or DVD+R
and what brand??

[bighap]

Just replied to your other post Dan. If you have a v3 you should be using high quality -r media such as Ritek.

[lightshow]

I think we should start a poll type thing that people can choose if a certain +- r/rw works on each Ps2 version.

It'd stop a lot of repetitve questions and be a good reference.

[RAISTLIN]

Originally posted by lightshow
I think we should start a poll type thing that people can choose if a certain +- r/rw works on each Ps2 version.

It'd stop a lot of repetitve questions and be a good reference.

Nyah, this issue has been covered well in detail several times already. People just need to use the search feature once in a while!

:D

Raist

[Babagadoosh]

Are these good media to use with a version 7 PS2? Also what program does someone recommend to use to burn PS2 DVD games as I am having an issue with them. Thanks

[smylesal1]

hello can anyone out their help me burn ps2 game without and chip install in your ps2 if can tell me where i buy a chip for my ps2 i would like to backup my games. what is a name of a good program that i can backup my ps2. if i have to buy a chip for my ps2 i am not good at solding i would an chip that dont have to do any solding

thank you

[RAISTLIN]

Are these good media to use with a version 7 PS2? Also what program does someone recommend to use to burn PS2 DVD games as I am having an issue with them. Thanks

Verbatims are usually solid. Granted there have been som bad lots in the past, but in general, very reliable. I've been using DataLife's for a while now, no problem (Silver top, Blue print, UPC ends with 94490 on 15pc cake, US).

It is likely the program's configuration causing the problem. Watch your burn speeds. There are several posts about this. Try at the media's rated speed or 1/2 the rated speed. Try to avoid going any lower than 1/2 the rated speed--it can actually make bad pits and lands and render the disk unreliable with a worn laser assembly.

Always image the original to disk first, then burn to disk in a second process. Unless you have a high capacity power supply and quality drives, cables, etc. a disk-to-disk copy can have too much margin for error. Some software can disable disk-to-disk copies if it doesn't detect the same drive and firmware. There is a reason for that setting, so it is best to avoid this method.

Don't run your system with a massive overclock. This can make data transfers and burning a bit unreliable for several reasons. Overdriven buses are more prone to errors due to insufficient voltage and excess noise from additional cooling hardware, not to mention the excessive heat that a system case can generate when overclocked. If you are overclocked to the point where your PCI clock would be over 39MHz, or you have to lower the CAS/RAS timings on your memory to reach your overclock, then this could be the problem--notch it down a bit and try again. There are some that may disagree with me, but I have had to do this with my XP1700. It would flub burns about 2/3 into the disc at 1820, but burn flawlessly at 1794 (158 FSB/39.5 PCI vs. 156 FSB/39 PCI). BTW, the XP1700 is a 1466MHz CPU by default. Yes, I am a bit of a speed freak. Can't wait to get my a new KT400 board with a Barton and crank it up another notch....heheh.

Double check your Drive cables and overall system design. DVD burners typically work most reliably when they are the Master on the secondary chain, and if it has to share the cable with another drive the transfer speed needs to be the same or higher. In other words, don't put a non-DMA33 capable drive on the same channel with the burner. If anything accesses the drive during burning (like the AutoRun scan to a second CD drive) it will drop the speed of the channel. In keeping with this thought, don't have a disk in that secondary drive while burning. This sucks power from the line and can contribute to the throttle of the IDE channel. It is not wise to put a hard drive on the same cable with a burner--EVER. The burner can actually slow down the hard drives performance, not to mention the potential issues with burning.

Oh, and make sure your drives are transfering at optimum speeds. Your BIOS should be enabling the DMA mode for the burner if it supports it. Likewise, your OS should be enabling the same transfer mode as your BIOS. Do not try to overide the BIOS PIO detection by setting it to DMA in Windows. This can cause some issues with transfers and drive control--especially if there is a second drive on that channel. If your BIOS cannot detect/enable UDMA for your burner, you will likely not be able to burn reliably at 4X or higher--in some cases even 2X in some cases. You should invest a little in an add-on PCI controller. You can nab a UDMA66 Promise controller for about $15 on ebay. I got one for the office for $18 with shipping back in March, so you could probably get one really cheap by now.

For tutorials on some of the more popular software, go here:

http://www.mjpaul.freeserve.co.uk/

They will be moving soon, this should be the new address when it does:

http://www.psplace.tk/

Good Luck!

Raist

[Iam]

i have a usb (neo Key) mod chip, and i was worndering if it can boot ps2
dvd-r, i saw a lot of site that say PS2 USBMOD boot instructions, and it said how to boot PS2 DVDr or ALL PS2 Games

thx

[bighap]

Neo key won't boot dvd backups, only cd.

[red_icculus]

DVD+R DOES WORK for my day one PS2 with swap magic. They were also burnt at 1x and 2.4x, so it is a bit more of a time investment.

[Artifact]

Verbatim used to work on mine, but now it loads hella slow, so I just use TDK cd's. Go figure ;/ Anyone ever hear of this?

[uns97]

Verbatim used to work on mine, but now it loads hella slow, so I just use TDK cd's. Go figure ;/ Anyone ever hear of this?


You should check with some software which dye those Verbatim's use. (MMC usually) Maybe your disks have a low quality dye (which I doubt) and were written at too high speed and the result was a too high error rate on the disk. Then a laser that is not in a perfect condition can cause this reading problem. TDK DVD+Rs are (Ricoh) has other write strategy than Verbatim. It would be great if you could test those disks with a PI/PO scanner (Kprobe for example) but if you do not have a Liteon drive then it's not possible. That would tell us some info about the dye/write quality and would be an answer why your PS2 does not like those disks. As said usually Verbatim is a very good brand, and there must not be any problem. This sounds like a dying laser for me, or it needs some adjusting.

regards, Stephen

[excaluber]

Hi,

my former ps2 was a v7 and it went completely dead, and i haven't been in the ps2 scene since...... but i recently purchased a new premodded v9 and i wanted to double check what format to use

I have a sony dvd burner so i can burn +r or -r.....When i had the v7 i only used verbatim +r's they seemed to work much better then the -r's..... Is that still generally the way to go? Have people been having better luck with the -r's on v9's?

thanks for any advice.

Excal

[ashmufc]

This is info for my Maxell DVD+r:

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: YUDEN000-T01-00
Book Type: DVD+R
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track

This is good right? Esp with the yuden dye, tell me if its bad media.

[uns97]

TY dye is one of the best ones, - if not the best, hehe - so you can use it.

regards, Stephen

[ashmufc]

great, need to get more of these then!

[Artifact]

You should check with some software which dye those Verbatim's use. (MMC usually) Maybe your disks have a low quality dye (which I doubt) and were written at too high speed and the result was a too high error rate on the disk. Then a laser that is not in a perfect condition can cause this reading problem. TDK DVD+Rs are (Ricoh) has other write strategy than Verbatim. It would be great if you could test those disks with a PI/PO scanner (Kprobe for example) but if you do not have a Liteon drive then it's not possible. That would tell us some info about the dye/write quality and would be an answer why your PS2 does not like those disks. As said usually Verbatim is a very good brand, and there must not be any problem. This sounds like a dying laser for me, or it needs some adjusting.

regards, Stephen

Thanks for that, but the Verbatims used to work perfectly fine (the v10 PS2 is 1.5 months old) and were my standard disc until some games just suddenly stopped working very well, giving me random RSOD and slow loading. I DO have 2 Lite-on drives and have always read/burned at 2x/2x speed. PS2 has been romeo-modded etc. Any other suggestions? I'll test out the media ASAP.

Thanks

[uns97]

I'd check the coils, maybe they are already so low that reading some media causes this slowdown... If those worked fine, and the disks are in a perfect condition then nothing but the reading device might be the problem.

regards, Stephen

[Artifact]

I'd prefer to avoid changing the coils as I lack the right equipment to do so. Is it really possible that a near new PS2 could already have issues such as these?

These are the PI/PO readings from two particular backups. The first one is on the TDK (Ricoh) CD, the second is from the Verbatim. It is interesting to note that the TDK cd was burnt directly off the Verbatim and further shows that it's really the media that is causing the issue. Odd.

Date : 26/08/2004 8:36:33 PM
Model : 0-0-1-0 E:LITE-ON COMBO LTC-48161H KH0P
Disc : DVD-ROM , [Ricoh Company Limited]
Speed : Max
ECC blocks sum (PI/PIF) : 8/1
Scanned range : 0 - 6365322
Sampling count : 110973
Errors : 0
PI Max : 888
PI Average : 381.30
PI Total : 5932922
PIF Max : 18
PIF Average : 7.64
PIF Total : 847555

Date : 26/08/2004 9:32:35 PM
Model : 0-0-1-0 E:LITE-ON COMBO LTC-48161H KH0P
Disc : DVD-ROM , [Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation]
Speed : Max
ECC blocks sum (PI/PIF) : 8/1
Scanned range : 0 - 6365345
Sampling count : 108740
Errors : 0
PI Max : 2208
PI Average : 837.10
PI Total : 12987700
PIF Max : 215
PIF Average : 24.82
PIF Total : 2698602

No errors, but look at the difference in the PI Averages.

[uns97]

Oops, PI's like those are TERRIBLE. Usually normal PI must be lower than 280... Which burner do you use ??? You better test those media in a Liteon DVD writer (if you have one) and the result must be MUCH better, or your firmware has to be updated, or the writer is not working correctly. If you watch some tests at some CD/DVD writing pages you can see what I mean... www.cdfreaks.com, www.cdrinfo.com and www.cdrlabs.com can give you some help to examine a lot of PI/PO scans and well yours are the worst I have seen latelly...

regards, Stephen

[Artifact]

Yah I checked out cdfreaks etc. for info previously. PI should be lower than 280 and PO should be lower than 4, correct? ;p I used my laptop's burner (Philips SDVD Burner) to burn the Verbatim CD and the other (and all my backups from henceforth) was burned using an LG GSA-4120B DL. The reader (to get these stats) was a Lite-on DVD Combo drive. I'm going to reburn it at an excessively slow speed and check out what PI's I get.

[Artifact]

Hrm, I did quite a bit of looking into all my current DVD's etc. turns out DVDs burnt with the laptop have extremely high PI's. This was solved via a simple reburn using the LG burner. In order to offset the (still somewhat high) PIs on the DVDs burnt using the LG burner, I set the read speed down on the Lite-On burner and it fleshed out nicely (my bad ;p, shouldn't have been running AIM, MSN and a myriad of other proggies at the same time too, they should affect reading clarity, no?) with all my other DVDs returning average PIs of 120. Huzzah! You've solved my laser problem, my DVD issue problem aaand saved my laser from a ton of wear and tear. The reason I suspect that the original extremely high PI DVDs were still playing on the PS2 perfect fine was because it was brand new. Over time it damaged the laser until it couldn't play high PI games, but could still play regular games. Mystery solved! Huzzah.

Thanks a LOT uns. Much appreciated. Nay, extremely appreciated!

[uns97]

You're always welcome!

regards, Stephen

[Icelight]

I have a V9 PS2...

I'm just a bit confused, still, which type of DVDR I should be using? DVD+R or DVD-R?

Also, I live in Canada, and no place around me sells Ritek...

They have either:

Maxwell
Memorex
Optodisc

I was thinking my best bet would be with Memorex, no? I've always used their CD-R's, and I've never had a problem with a single one of them.

[uns97]

Memorex + usually uses Ricoh dye (one of the best ones) and Maxell (and not Maxwell, as it is something completly different) uses TY or Ricoh, so can be used. Optodisc, the dye they use is unknown for me. As said with a V9, it does not matter what type (+ or -) you go for, but as an usual advice: buy some pieces of each type and TEST them. If you have a capable writer Nero offers a quality check, or with Liteon drive you can use KProbe, Plextor users can use Plextools. I suggest not to ignore this, I know it's TIME + probably a few bucks of WASTED money, but in the end it may help to reduce the problematic disks to zero, and your laser will survive some years then.

regards, Stephen

[Icelight]

I'll probably go with the Memorex ones then, since I can buy them with DVD cases as opposed to Jewel Cases :D

Oh, and I always put the extra 'w' in MAXELL :D I'm trying to buy DVDR's, not Coffee ^_^

[Gradius]

Okay, I have updated my site (gradius) with new firmwares.

Gradius

[barf]

DVD+R does not work in mine, at least not for movies, it somehow gets a lot of horizonal stripes, however copying the same movie onto the HD from +R media and reburning on -R media makes it play perfect.

[liknsmak]

I have a v4 and use memorex +R's, never had a failed boot with sm2.0.Should I consider myself lucky?

[Monouk]

The other day using the independance to load cogswap I got an HP DVD+R to load. Im pretty sure its a V4, Ill check and get back to ya, just give me a min.

EDIT - ok neverind I think its a V5...30001Rs are V5s right?

[ProcircuitCR80]

i got a V7 ps2. Some games i burn dont work. I always burn my games on the slowest speed. What kind of DVD's should i use(+or-)? Also, what brand is the best? i need to know so i can stop wasting money on dvd+/- r's that dont work right. Just so you know, im using the solderless mod-chip w/ the Swap Magic discs.

[ProcircuitCR80]

i can get 2 kinds od DVD-R's easily. Which one would you recommend for a v7 PS2 w/ a solderless chip and im using the Swap Magic disks. My choices are Sony DVD-R's or Maxell DVD-R's. Which one will work better, i already wasted enough money on crap disks that dont work.

[agee]

I suggest you order them online....RITEK should be good enough and cheap for ya...I stop buying DVDr from local store unless it's not for game and on sale....

[ProcircuitCR80]

well i just got some maxell dvd-r's and i re-burnt gta:san andreas, now it works perfect. so i guess ill stick with these because they work good

[doufas]

so yeh..

with v7 console whats the best media now.. i read the thread and it seems its between ritek dvd-r and maxell dvd+r... which ones better?

i have a pioneer a07 with v.2.00 rpc1 firmware and i want to chekc pi / po but i know know which program to use ?

[uns97]

You can't test PI/PO erros using a Pioneer. Plextools is for Plextor, KProbe for Liteon, Nero CD/DVDSpeed is for some other drives. You can try DVDInfoPro but its results are quite questionable in most cases.

regards, Stephen

pS: TY dye is the best so far, but Ricoh, Ritek, MCC, CMC dyes are also very good.avoid from low level grade B or C media.

[doufas]

hehe i just baugt a cake of 50 ridata (ritek)

guess they are still fkn good.. which brand of dvd-r use TY dye ?

edit:

ok heres what i got from doing tests on mgs3 which i burnt first on tdk dvd-r then ritek g05 dvd-r can someone tell me if these are any good? heres the results..

http://www.users.on.net/~doufas/test1-tdk.jpg
http://www.users.on.net/~doufas/test2-go5.jpg

the g05 seem way better.. both were 8x rated so i burnt em at 8x does anyone think i shoudl try burning lower will that improve things? if my friends want a copy i guess ill try it.. anyway thanks in advance..

[Nightman]

I use Khypermedia DVD+R 4x from Tigerdirect.com for $8.99/ spindle of 25 discs. I play them flawlessly in my v10 and also my v4 PS2's. Cannot even hear the laser reading them, they read like originals. DVD-R's make my laser noisy....

[doufas]

any idea which of the 2 above tests that i posted are better? no idea what they mean :P

[uns97]

As said, unfortunatelly DVDInfopro does not give that reliable result. For me both seems to be fine, the TTG02 caused lower spikes, but in overall both are excellent.

regards, Stephen

[spkenn5]

hey
i got this ps2 v.9 SCPH-50001 and i am trying to play my backup game using swap magic v3.3, and im trying to burn the backup with imation dvd+r, when i tried to load the disc, it says "not a valid ps2 disc" please someone help me with that ^_*

[Drap]

anyone tried dvd+r on PSTwo?

[uns97]

anyone tried dvd+r on PSTwo?

Why would you suppose it does not work ? DVD+R works just fine on v5+, so it does work on V12 PsTwo aswell.

regards, Stephen

[spkenn5]

yea it works fine =] i guess i was just too hasty =P

[omegatron]

i burn fujifilm ( made in japan) x8 at 16x speed on my hacked firmware phillips dvd8601.. play fine no noise ( they use ty)

[Cataulin]

so do v5 support DVD+r's as well cause i got some for christmas and my bro has a + burner.

[uns97]

v5+ can read DVD+R just fine. If the burner supports bitsetting, you can set the booktype to DVD-ROM for maximum compatibility.

regards, Stephen

[Nightman]

I just modded a version 2 with the gap bios. Popped in a Matrix Infinity, then put it Goldeneye: Rogue Agent on a Khypermedia DVD+R. Worked like a charm!! SO am I the only one that has had a v2 read DVD+R?

[Cataulin]

Well its a HP 200i burner and if it does BOOYAH

[uns97]

As said, if the disk was bitset, then nearly everything will read them. Also, if an older PS2 has a new laser - after a dead laser swap - it will read those +R disks fine.

regards, Stephen

[Tigerman]

I burn fujifilm DVD+Rs ( made in japan) x8 at 8x speed on my Khypermedia DVD+RW burner. I've tried burning Goldeneye, Killzone, and King Arthur on these DVD+Rs, and I use CogSwapLoader(elf on my hdd), CD Loader (elf on my hdd), and DVD Loader (iso on cd, booted with cd laoder) to load them, but none of these work! I have a V4 (SCPH-35001) PS2 with a Clear Fliptop Case. My CD-R games work, but not my DVD+R games! My burned DVD+R movies such as Office Space work fine on my PS2. Is there any way i can fix this problem, so I can play my backups on DVD+R? I burn them with DVD Decrypter and Alcohol 120, and nothing works for games. Plz help!

EDIT: I also tried Nero Ultra Edition, and still no luck :(

[Nightman]

Slow down your burn speed. Try 4x or even 2.4x.

[Tigerman]

I just burned DDR MAX 2 with Alcohol 120% at 2.4x speed, and with DVD Loader, CD Loader, AND CogSwapLoader it does NOT work. Does anybody know how to make DVD+Rs read for backup games? DVD+R movies work fine.

[uns97]

You guys are always have problems with GAMES only. When will you realize that it's your shitty CD/DVDloader and other SILLY stuff that are the problem. Your movies work. Then so should the games aswell as that shows it's NOT a media problem. Why do you ask this here then ??? We - as far as I know - here discuss about MEDIA and not loaders. We probably do not even have a section for those... I'd ask about it those who you bought those things from. Go and get a DECENT mod and there you go. What could we suggest other than that ? I personally have no clue (and probably will never have) how those loaders work, when most of us installed a mod and it does its job. With no problems.

regards, Stephen

[Tigerman]

Most of us are also nice and respectful to others. This is a Discussion forum, and so problems with DVD+R games will be Discussed. Don't flame, it makes you look bad.

[uns97]

Most of us are also nice and respectful to others. This is a Discussion forum, and so problems with DVD+R games will be Discussed. Don't flame, it makes you look bad.

Don't get me wrong, you may look at me anyhow you just wish but if you take your time and look at my answers you'll see I never flamed anyone with no REAL reasons. I think DVD+R as said has nothing to do with your problem. It's a loader problem and not the media itself, otherwise movies would have not worked fine. From now on, I doubt anyone could give you a BETTER answer regarding the MEDIA. (as now it is proven to work...) And as most guys read this section because they have MEDIA problems, you better go and ask your question in the swapmod section. It is much probable that anyone there could give you an answer or any hint how you can make that game work. Belive me if you were to ask anything about CD/DVD media, I'd gladly answer in a longer and much nicer post. I just like to see posts in those sections where they belong to. No flame, or offense anyway.

regards, Stephen

pS: not to mention that DVD+R games do not exist. DVD+R as a media exists, and games on writable media (DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RW or DVD+RW) exist too. The fact that you used DVD+R is a thing, if you had used DVD-R/W it would have not worked aswell, as you have a different problem than the media. By the way, check the disk in a PS2 with a modchip, whether the backup works at all.

[omegatron]

"DVD+R gamse do not exist"
You know damn well what he ment.... Tigerman me and you duked it out with your problem and i forget is everything good now or are you still having problems

:above: the correct way to help someone

[tec9]

just use dvd-r on good media code ritek g04 ect...
v1-4 are known to have shitier lasers
bitsetting wont help as the reflectivity of dvd+r is less than dvd-r
dvd+r only work in v5+

[omegatron]

tigerman has a +r burner

[tec9]

then hes shit outa luck time for a -r burner or newer ps2

[uns97]

DVD+R reflecitivty is just the same as DVD-R. The reason why older consoles do not like it, as the media ID (DVD+R) is unknown for those. So, if a PS2 plays a movie from DVD+R, then reflectivity is not an issue, as it can read the media. Then, there is SOMETHING else that causes the problem...

regards, Stephen

www.dvdrw.com/information/DVDRW_Compatibility_how_it_is_achieved.pdf
www.pioneerelectronics.com/Pioneer/Files/DVDR47_WhitePaper.pdf

[Tigerman]

Working! THX to: Omegatron! Don't flame him anymore!

[RAISTLIN]

Glad you worked it out Tigerman. Please understand I am not trying to flame anyone, but I think some of you guys may need a refresher course in the +R/-R debate when it comes to the older units. +R is well documented for having issues with older hardware of all kinds--not just the PS2. Oftentimes it IS in fact a media issue, and this should always be verified by either trying to load the +R on a system with known +R support, or to try the same burning process on -R media once the imaging/burning/booting process is confirmed to be the correct procedures and settings.

One issue that often gets overlooked is that some games actually have protection that will prevent them from loading on a modded system. To get around this you will need to patch the game, or use an additional swap-fix CD to get around this. You can get the image to burn a CD for skirting this issue with the older Swap Magic/AR2/GS2 methods here:

http://www.saveware.com/swapmagicx.htm


Yeah, by the spec's, -R/+R appear to have the same reflectivity and potential reliability, but this only holds true for the areas that are burned. The issue with the older PS2's is more related to the fact that the -R format has the start of each LBA physically pressed in the groove, while +R burns it on the fly. It is more of a tracking issue than an issue with the Firmware/BIOS accepting the media descriptor. In fact, I don't think the PS2 even pays attention to it. As a rule, readers usually don't even check this information--it is only information that a burner would use. Try to extract the MFGID and such of writable media in a straight reader and you will likely get no data with many utilities because the firmware won't even look it up. I seem to recall a post a while back about the PS2 determining media type based on the bandwidth of the laser that succesfully acuires the disk (IR, narrow, wide, etc.)--not from any media descripter stamped at the front of the disc.

Another common misconception is that slower burn speeds are better. Slower burns on CD are often better, but going too low on a DVD can actually cause malformed pits and lands that will cause the read speed to drop. The same thing can also happen with higher speed CD-R's--many have started listing minimum supported burn speeds starting at either 4x or 8x because of this. The best spot to test is one-half the media's rated speed, or one-half the maximum supported speed your burner's firmware determines. If using 4X DVD media, 1X should be used only as a last resort, and with 8X or higher it should be avoided altogether because of this issue. I have run numerous tests that have confirmed this with PS2, Movies, and straight data DVD's. The higher successful burn speeds will always yield a higher read rate. Note the key words "succesful burn". Run a file test or scandisk test on your burns with Nero CDSpeed (on the "Extras" menu, clck Scandisk). If you get read errors on the file test, or bad sectors on the scandisk, you need to reburn it. As a rule, I always run this test on a media that fails to load before I try anything else. Confirming you have a good clean burn should always by your first troubleshooting step.

Also note that playing a movie on +R doesn't necessarily mean a game will play on the same media. I can play movies perfectly fine on -RW, but only about half the games I've tested will load on the same -RW. Movies can run at a low bit rate (1X DVD=11Mbps rate--not many movies peg this unless running full 5.1 THX audio). By design, DVD movies can play just fine with dropped data--MPEG2 is a lossy compression scheme and is actually designed to playback with dropped/erroneous packets. When you are dealing with software code, you must have reliable reads--dropped data cannot be tolerated. Poor tracking may not prevent a movie from playing, but can prevent a program from loading.

So, yes, verify your boot and burning processes are correct. The best way to test this is to try booting it in a different box. Ultimately though, it may be more beneficial to get a burner that supports both formats, or at least use a friends -R to snap off a test burn. You can get dual-format burners for under $100 in the US now. I bought a Pioneer 08 off the shelf a few month's back for $130 with $30 rebate, and I've seen the rebadged ones going for $80 off the shelf. There is little excuse to not get a more capable burner, unless you are completely scrapped for cash to the point you can't even afford to by media any more. Eventually, the laser pickup's sensitivity may begin to fade or become more succeptible to jitter for various reasons. At this point the +R reliability WILL begin to fade because of the potential tracking issues and you will HAVE to use -R media to load the games. This is a well documented fact with both older PS2's and set-top players. One of the primary reasons the DVD Forums accepted -R and made it a book standard was because of the pressed LBA marks vs. the burned ones. This feature makes -R the closest writable media you can get to an actual pressed DVD, and also why it proved morereliable in older devices.


Raist

[omegatron]

nice post raist

[Nightman]

Eventually, the laser pickup's sensitivity may begin to fade or become more succeptible to jitter for various reasons. At this point the +R reliability WILL begin to fade because of the potential tracking issues and you will HAVE to use -R media to load the games. This is a well documented fact with both older PS2's and set-top players. One of the primary reasons the DVD Forums accepted -R and made it a book standard was because of the pressed LBA marks vs. the burned ones. This feature makes -R the closest writable media you can get to an actual pressed DVD, and also why it proved morereliable in older devices.


Raist

Really? On my old v4, DVD-r would not read at all, while Khypermedia DVD+R discs would read like original pressed dvd's. Could've been a fluke, I don't know, but all I use are +R discs now. Not a problem with my laser eyes since.

[RAISTLIN]

It all depends on where/when it was fabbed. Like the overclocking on the Malaysian P2 Celerons-one batch will overclock 180%, a batch the next day would only overclock 25%, or the first three crops of the NEC DVD-Burners that didn't work worth a flip until the 3rd revision of the controller boards. The point was that STATISTICALLY +R has issues in pre-v5 PS2's, and DVD players fabbed before 2002.

As for it working on your v4, it could be that you got a later FW or something. Who knows for certain-haven't seen a comprehensive log of compatible FW/BIOS/Serial ID's to compare against. It could very well be something going on with your burner/firmware as well. I saw my 104 burner burn data DVD's flawlessly with all firmware's but not burn workable PS2 AND Movies as well unless I used the Stock Firmware or the hacked RPC-Free 2X4All FW. There are a lot of issues at play.

You really need to use a controlled set of diagnostics. Verify the proper burning and boot procdures--there are a ton of tutorials out there, use the handy-dandy search engine for heaven's sake! Test the burn in a box known to support your media type, also try a burn on the media type known to play in another box--compare what is different between them (software used, settings, chip installed, etc). Do this BEFORE creating a lovely new set of coasters. Then and ONLY then should you waste time re-burning over and over again. If everything checks out on another box, then obviously your setup has a problem. Investigate different media (or media type), firmwares, software updates, etc. If you know someone who is burning successfully on the media type in question, get a piece of the same media and see if it works. If it does, don't buy any more of the failing media.

This isn't rocket science folks. Everything is out there to help you troubleshoot these issues. Just search a little. Read. Learn.

Raist

[uns97]

This isn't rocket science folks. Everything is out there to help you troubleshoot these issues. Just search a little. Read. Learn.

Raist

Hehe, if rocket science had been so instable at that time (as optical storage is these days...) man would have never reached the sky... Anyway, we (at least me) still do not know how they solved that problem we discussed about some days ago. So he would share that with us. (still beliveing that it was NOT a media problem - except if his burns had too high error rates, but we assumed that the disk was good quality) And in general, DVD-R MAY be more compatible (mainly in older devices) but DVD+R has more advance, and look at those scans of media QUALITY. (DVD+ has a way better quality...)

regards, Stephen

[Neil Stevens]

So (having just read this whole thread) for a V12 should a person just go buy a spool of DVD+R blanks (instead of DVD-R) for speed and quality, just assuming that such a new system has the media IDs and laser necessary to read them reliably?

thanks,

[uns97]

Quality media works fine on a V12. It does not really matter if that is a DVD+R or a DVD-R. DVD+R has its own advantages (lower error rates at higher speeds, and so on) while DVD-R is more compatible mainly on older V1-V4 models. Of course low quality media will cause problems, especially as the V12 has quite a weak laser compared to the 400c lasers, so you better buy some brand disk. Riteg G04/TTG01/TTG02/CMC/Ricoh/TY01/TY02/FUJIFILM/MCC and some more dye's are excellent choices. Buy different disks to test them, and choose the best, if you have tools like Plextools/KPropbe/NeroCD/DVDSpeed or DVDInfoPro you can test the disk quality, which may help saving your laser.

regards, Stephen

[kerupt]

Would like to post my experience.

In ps2 v7:

1) Tried memorex dvd+r 8x , result = Very bad. Extremely slow loading, slow, laggy, and would make loud noise.

2) Tried Maxell dvd+r 4x , result = Perfect. The backup was exact same quality as original. Fast loads, no quality loss.

[RAISTLIN]

So (having just read this whole thread) for a V12 should a person just go buy a spool of DVD+R blanks (instead of DVD-R) for speed and quality, just assuming that such a new system has the media IDs and laser necessary to read them reliably?

thanks,
You might want to buy a sample pack and see what works best. Not much point buying a full cake of media you can't use. A lot of places sell 10 packs with 3 or 4 different types/brands so you can see what works best. There are a lot of variables that can come into play, but as a general rule sticking to quaility media is <usually> safest.

Here's a link for some guys I've bought from in the past. They are really pushing the Wisetech's (about on par with TDK) but they carry some other decent brands also. I had good luck with Wisetech and Accu discs from them with in 104 burner at 2X and RNM.

http://beststore4u.com/product.php?cat=c2&by=sub_category&byid=s8


Raist

[easy123]

quick question, should i use dvd-r or dvd+r for my ps2 backups? the website where i buy my modchip from says dvd+r is bad for pstwo's laser and recommends me to use dvd-r instead.

[Dfunk]

My recommendation and what I use is...

Lite On 451s "flashed" to an 832s from patched firmware at clubcdfreaks.
Verbatim DVD+R MCC003 <- Sam's club has 50 packs for $24 tax included.

Lite On burners are cheap and reliable and there is a ton of 3rd party support and patched firmware for them. Lite On burners are the only burners that are capable of using Kprobe for reading how well your burns are. Even some of the new Sony buners are rebranded Lite On drives.

I paid $35 for my 451s and upgraded the firmware to an 851s and just upgraded the firmware again to an 832s. So basically I paid $35 for a $200 burner and I get near perfect burns.

Being able to use software like Kprobe and having the option of using different versions of firmware will allow you to fine tune your backup creation. In turn adding longevity to the laser in your PS2. Most newer PS2's, V5-V12 like DVD+R. But I think saying things like "this PS2 likes this kind of media" isn't very scientific. While it is true that older PS2's like -R media the point is whatever media/burner/software you use needs to create quality burns. GIGO = Garbage In Garbage Out!

[RAISTLIN]

Nero CDSpeed 2000 lets you scan your DVD's also and is not picky about the drives. Use "ScanDisc" from the "Extra" menu and you can run a file or surface scan. I like running a surface scan when one is having trouble loading. It's not as fast as the speed test, but more thorough and easy to read--good sectors are marked green, damaged yellow, and unreadables red.

http://www.cdspeed2000.com/

I hope your Lite On holds up. I burned through 3 of their CD Burners (and one Hi-Val)and never wore out my Pioneer 104--finally just scrapped the cheap burner route and now just run two Pioneers: my almost 3 yr old 104 (bought as a refurbed in white box) and a new 108 Retail boxed. My last Lite-on CD-RW/DVD Combo got to where it wouldn't read half the DVD's I burned, and most of the CD's I burned with it would suffer the roller-coaster effect. Not a problem when I use my Pioneers.

[easy123]

my v12's laser seem to be moving a lot and making some light clicking and scratching sounds when reading backup games, while originals played smoothly.

What could this be?? I am using my 822s@832s(modified firmware) burnig Verbatim dvd-r and Taiyo Yuden (Sony&Fuji brand) dvd+r all at 4x.

[Titmus]

please can anybody tell me how to get rid of thes annoying skips i get when burning games ( espically ea games i.e nba street vol3!!!!). I use dvd decrypter to decrypt games then alcohol to burn that image. I do it a 1x speed . I use ritek + or maxwell - dvds. I bought my ps2 in about 2003 and got a modchip called ripper gold 2.
I need someones help cos its annoying the hell out of me

[Nightman]

Titmus, try burning at 2x instead of 1x. Sometimes a 1x burn is worse than 2x. If that doesn't fix it, your laser may need adjustment.

[RAISTLIN]

Titmus, try burning at 2x instead of 1x. Sometimes a 1x burn is worse than 2x. If that doesn't fix it, your laser may need adjustment.
I second that advice. I've seen a lot of problems with streaming video with a 1X burn--nopt too mention painfully slow data loading times. Ideal speeds are 2x-4x with my v5, 8x on GOOD media.

Raist

[go_n_low88]

Highly - UNLIKELY. I think there are postings that states that the DVD+R media will only work for V5 and UP.

But hey try and see for yourself

K2K3


So what type pf DVD can we play on our V1 PS2?

Also I have burned a few games now and 2 out of 3 didn't work(Used CloneCD and tried Nero as well). Should I be (or can you) install a OEM DVD player in the PS2 to replace the stock one?

[baronimex]

someone said DVD+R media damages Laser and DVD+RW also, he said JUST DVD-R.
Is thise CORRECT?

PS2 v7, DMS3

[digitalFX]

I don't know about all that, but I've been using dvd+r for a long time now with no problems at all on my v4. Basicly I only started using it becuase it is what I had on hand. I figure don't mess with what works. With that said I would still use dvd-r if you are going to buy some since most people claim to have more success with them, however if you have dvd+r's already, I don't think you will have any problems.

[evilfox]

please can anybody tell me how to get rid of thes annoying skips i get when burning games ( espically ea games i.e nba street vol3!!!!). I use dvd decrypter to decrypt games then alcohol to burn that image. I do it a 1x speed . I use ritek + or maxwell - dvds. I bought my ps2 in about 2003 and got a modchip called ripper gold 2.
I need someones help cos its annoying the hell out of me

I rip with DVD Decrypter and burn with Alcohol 120%. I used to use Nero 6.6.0.8 but Alcohol 120% (1.9.2. build 1705) works better for me. I used Bulkpaq DVD-R's in the past but had some skips in the movies of Burnout3. I just bought 3 different DVD-R's to test and Fujifilm came out on top for me. I've just burned Burnout3 on a FujiFilm DVD-R at 2x and it works really smooth. Maybe you should try different media as well. I have a NEC 3500A burner.

I've modded a lot of V7's but only 2 V4's.
DVD+R's have worked flawlessly in every one of them.
I use Fujifilm (fairly inexpensive) with 100% success. Every one has worked perfectly so far. Don't know about V4R specifically, though.

Moe

Yup, Fujifilm does the trick ;)

[p0tsm0ke]

been testing the following disc seem to work great in the ps2 v7 :)

Media Type:Verbatim DVD-R (Disc ID: MCC 02RG20) (Speeds: 2x, 4x, 8x)

Media Type:TDK DVD-R (Disc ID: TTG02) (Speeds: 2x, 4x, 8x)

the tdk where $89.99 for 100 pack the verbatim where $24.99 25 pack
for writing speed i stick to 2x and 4x. 8x - 16x makes my pc freak lol
as far as DVD+R media the unit dont like it. hmmm

as far as DVD+R DL unit seems to like RIDATA (Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01)

why would my unit play +RDL media fine but not really like +R media

my pc is P3 933 Mhz 1 gig ram 10 gig hd + 200 gig hd optorite DD1603 4xDL burner region free :P. use NERO , DVD Decrypter to make and burn all my ISO , IMG files.

[ShannonLi]

I would would just go with Toyu Yudens DVDR + if it doesnt work change the book type to DVDR - problems solve which means the DVD R + format is the best in my opion

[p0tsm0ke]

want to report burned another DL disc and works 100%

Media Type:Verbatim DVD-R (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2x, 2.4x 4x )

Burned GT4 on 4x and works great Click Version :P

[snipersnake]

hi guys..i have a gapped v4 on dms4pro...i tried loading dvd+r (verbatim) and it failed..then the cheapos meida dvd+r..it RARELY can...if can loads teribly slow..so should i go with high end dvd-r ??

[uns97]

Older machines, like yours too may read DVD+R very slow or cannot recognise these disks. No matter wahat the booktype is, the disk characteristic is different a bit. You either have to tune the azimuth/white cog (sometime this used to help) or use DVD-R media. As your machine is quite old, I suggest using quality DVD-R.

regards, Stephen

[danwood76]

In my experiance V4 lasers eaither play +R or -R and I have never seen one that can do both
The majority play -R though

Although it will require the azimoth screw adjusting 8 times out of 10 to be able to read these medias

I recommend Ritek GO4 or if you want to burn at 8x the Ritek silver printables made by CMC, these are both Grade A+++ media

regards,
Danny

[snipersnake]

thanks guys..will try it later :)

[snipersnake]

i tweaked the white cog..cleaned the lens and VIOLA..my ps2 can read dvd+r....thanks stephen and danny!!

[TwiztidLoKe]

my v7 with dms3, works perfect with either + or -, I use TDK or RW media.

[K3N[ShadyLTD]]

I have a serious question. when burning a ps2 back up game, should i burn it at the lowest speed possibble, so it reduces the cances of any error happen while i play the game... e.g. is it best to burn an 8x DVD+R at 1-2.4x.... ?

[RAISTLIN]

DVD's don't burn like CD's--slower is not always best. You can actually flub the pits/lands with too slow of a burn on high-speed media. This has been tested and proven time and again--I believe it was mentioned earlier in this thread once already. Typically, the higher speed burns playback faster than a slower burn on the same media.

Best rule of thumb is to pick the mid-range of your burner if you are having difficulty with the burns. Notching your burn speeds incrementally down by halves is a good testing method as well. Burning at 1X on 8x or higher media should be the last resort though.

Older systems have shown flakey reads with streaming content on high-speed medias and the workaround has often been to try either a slower media or alternate format (-R vs. +R). If you have a dual format burner it may be worth trying an alternate format if you are having difficult with playback.

Raist

[K3N[ShadyLTD]]

Alright thanks for the response Raist. I have a nec 3500A burner. Im planning on getting a Ritek (aka Ridata) 8x media discs soon. hopefully these work perfectly...

[futomara]

What brands work with v2 ps2s? I have had success with only two so far. Old memorex ones that come in the purple back (being phased out so they are fairly cheap) and Khypermedia. Both +R.

[jon_jon]

I like to use Taiyo Yuden discs. They are one of the most reliable DVD-R/DVD+R discs out there, at least from my experience. You can order them online or from your local retail store. At your local store, look for the "Made in Japan" label usually from Fuji, Maxell and maybe a few other re-labeled brands.

But if Khyermedia and Memorex discs work well on your console, I'd stay with them.

[kamuixtv]

Are DVD recordables have the same reflectivity as HK silvers? do they have the same wear and tear process?

[Faluzure]

I don't know how much they are in the USA, but the 8x +R media from Benq is the best media I have ever used. Period. www.futureshop.ca often has them on sale for ~50-60c per disc. (They are listed as 4x media, but tend to ship you the 8x media instead)

[mooh0r]

does someone know which verbatims are the best?:

Verbatim DVD-R 8X MCC (Mediacode: MCC02RG20)
or
Verbatim DVD-R 8X Taiyo Yuden (Mediacode: TYG02)

?

[Jman0773]

Which DVD's work best? I've been using Sony one's. The games have not been all that great except for a few. I thought they would work well because I have a Sony DVD burner...

[Dragon Slayer]

Which DVD's work best? I've been using Sony one's. The games have not been all that great except for a few. I thought they would work well because I have a Sony DVD burner...


for DVD-5's Riteks work great for me and on dual layer Verbatim at persent.

kc

[jon_jon]

does someone know which verbatims are the best?:

Verbatim DVD-R 8X MCC (Mediacode: MCC02RG20)
or
Verbatim DVD-R 8X Taiyo Yuden (Mediacode: TYG02)

?

They are both great discs. Most of the 8X Verbatims I've seen are MCC, at least in the US. I think you can find the TY Verbatim discs in Europe.

[jon_jon]

Which DVD's work best? I've been using Sony one's. The games have not been all that great except for a few. I thought they would work well because I have a Sony DVD burner...


for DVD-5's Riteks work great for me and on dual layer Verbatim at persent.

kc


Ritek G04s used to be great. The G05s are pretty good as well, although quality may vary depending on the batch you ereceive. Sony burners do not necessarily burn Sony discs the best.

I've had good results with Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden discs.

[tixet]

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm for a comprehensive dvd media quality and brand FAQ. Pretty much stick with TYs or MCC (harder to verify that it's not a clone), or other assorted MIJ discs (SONY's). Anything else is 2nd or lower grade. Ritek G05s have really dropped in quality (30-50% misburn, dye defects, this is based on net reviews and personal experience), for example. As for dual layers, Verbatim (Mitsubishi Chemical Corp, Made in Singapore) is the only reliable one at the present time.

edit: Also note, Verbatim has used other sources as well (HK, Taiwan, India) in the recent past. Definitely check manufacturing region, disc codes & disc ID numbers with any new media you buy - especially since Verbatim, in Europe in particular, has been faked, including disc codes. Most notably Verbatim DVD-R (Disc ID: MCC 02RG20) has been faked left and right (esp 25 packs, 4x) - they also look different than normal verbatims (silver top, verbatim on left) - check that faq.

[dribbles]

l am just wondering what disks r good for burning dvds please

[Dragon Slayer]

Taiyo Yuden are about the top of the line for movies.

kc

[kada]

hi

i read all of thread but i have still some questions?

i have v7 with magic 3 ps2.i used some brands like memorex,princo,fly... i think the best is memorex(-r) that i used.but it dont work properly.

question is "what type of DVD media is most suitable with v7 with magic 3?"(- or +)(i think - but im not sure)

then can u suggest verbatim dvd-r 8x Datalife Plus?i read another forums that
there are 2 different type of verbatim.mcc and cmc.is that right?

[Dragon Slayer]

media doest get much worse then Princo but they will work if they are at least a 4x disk. the 1x disks they made 3 or so yrs back are useless for anything other then putting in the microwave and watching the pretty light show (if you've never done this, you should try it at least once)

Magic chips are notorious for botched booting that can often take many attempts but they do eventually boot a properly burnt disk.

your V7 will read both -/+ with my opinion being a -R is the preferred media for all DVD projects (playstations or movies), for the media get some Taiyo Yuden, if you can't get these use a 'Made In Japan' -R of the memorex or the Verbatium

kc

[kada]

thanx a lot

[Hello_Kitty]

I have some questions about DVDR and the PS2

If I burn a DVDR, i would say 99% of the DVD drives for PC will read it flawlessly

If I put the DVDR in the PS2, i'll probably have problems, with mine especially...

What are the differences between a PS2 optical drive and a PC optical drive ?

I suppose Sony does that on purpuse but what about people who want to watch movies on DVDR ?

[Dragon Slayer]

with DVD media the PS2 will not have problems when using quality media, the laser is the same and adjusted the same as in your PC DVD drive. now the CD lens in your PS2 is tuned to optimum efficiency reading off the blue disks but the use of a quality media for the backup should again prove efficient at reading, and it's actually more able to read off a CD-R then the blue disk.

kc

[xer0_Cool]

Hi i'm pretty new to the site though not limited to the PS2 scene...here's the thing...i've been wondering how i'm suppose to burn a ps2 backup to a dvd...what type of dvd im suppose to use...

My ps2's a V9...had the laser newly replaced, modded with an unknown chip...and burning a bootable independence boot disc works fine on generic cdrs...now im wondering how im suppose to burn a ps2 dvd unto what media...

I remember not long ago the root cause as to why i screwed up my ps2...i borrowed a backup copy of GTA3 and DMC1 from a friend and found out that my unit wont read em...im not sure if he used DVD-R or DVD+R,..i went nuts and kept looking for ways on how i could make the games run...i resorted to laser adjustments and finaly screwed up my laser by overadjusting my lens Pots'

...Now im back from scratch w/ a new laser...so i thought i could probably make it run my re-burning the dvd with different media...im planning on using nero 6 the thing is...when i pop in the problematic dvd's (dmc and GTA3) i get to the playstation logo and then unit hangs from there on...just black screen...now i thought that if i could probably burn the games using the method i use in nero6 to burn an independence disk...would it probably work???what media would be best to use? dvd+ or dvd-?..i heard DVD- were the conventional media back then...u think it would probably work out?...coz my ps2 reads backups that i have its just these 2 dvds as an exception...would really appreciate your help thanks!

One last thing,...the backups that i have here at home i dont know if they're DVD- or DVD+ how do i differentiate the two?...the problematic dvd's had purple data side?..and the ones i have @ home are golden data sides....does that help???

[kioshi]

Well i heard the ps2 was iffy on what it reads. supposedly it reads better dvd-r. On the front of the media you are using such as TDK they have there label on the front and information on what type of disc it is. The ones i use are TDK x8 and they have the type it is in caps like DVD-R.

As for what types of media. Here's a list from a modder on another forum on what Media saves your laser a bit of sweat.

1ST CLASS MEDIA
Almost flawless burns with 95-100% reliable results:
PVC = Pioneer (Japan) = (-R)(-RW) ... media is no longer made
MXLRG0x = Maxell (Japan) = (-R)(-RW)
YUDENT, TYG0x = Taiyo Yuden,Verbatim (Japan) = (-R)(+R)
MCC, MKM = Mitsubishi Chemicals (Singapore/Taiwan) = (-R)(-RW)(+R)(+RW)
TDK, TTG0x, TTH0x = TDK Corp (Taiwan/Japan) = (-R)(-RW)
SONY0xD = Sony (Japan/Taiwan) = (-R)(-RW)

2ND CLASS MEDIA
Decent discs, though not perfect, about 80-95% success rate:
RICOHJPN = Ritek or Ricoh (Taiwan) = (+R)(+RW)
PRODISC = Prodisc Media (Taiwan) = (-R)(+R)
RITEK = Ritek (Taiwan) = (+R)(-R)(-RW)(+RW)
FUJIFILM = Fuji = (-R)(+R)
OPTODISC = Optodisc = (-R)
INFODISC = Infodisc Media = (+RW)

3RD CLASS MEDIA
Quality can be very questionable, about 50-80% success rate:
LEADDATA, LD01, LD, LEDA = Lead Data = (-R)(-RW)
BEALL = Samsung BeAll (Taiwan) = (-R)(+R)
MBI = Moser Beaur (India) = (-R)(+R)(+RW)
MAM-A, MAM-E (USA, Europe) = Mitsui = (-R)
PRINCO, fake TDK = Princo (Taiwan) = (-R)(-RW)
ONIDTECH = Ul Tran Technology (Taiwan) = (-R)
MUST = Unknown OEM = (-R)
GSC001, GSC002 = Gigastorage (Taiwan) = (-R)(+R)
CMC, CMCMAG = CMC Magnetics (Taiwan) = (+R)
PHILIPS = Philips (Taiwan) = (+RW)

4TH CLASS MEDIA
Pathetic garbage media, landfill material, about 0-50% success rate:
CMC, CMCMAG = CMC Magnetics (Taiwan) = (-R)
PIODATA, PIO = LeadData/ Ritek (Taiwan) = (-R))(+R)
OPTODISC = Optodisc (Taiwan) = (+R)(+RW)
LONGTEN = Jilin Qingda ??? (China) = (-R)
YIJHAN = Yi Jhan Technology (Taiwan) = (-R)
ALL FAKE MEDIA = mostly InfoSmart (HK), E-Net (UK) and Mitsui (USA,Europe)
AN31, AN32, ANWELL, AN30 = "default" stamper code (usually Infosmart) = (-R)
AML = Advance Media Limited (Taiwan) = (-R)
INFOSMART, ISO001 = Infosmart (China) = (-R)(+R)
DAXON = BenQ/Acer (+R)(-R)
VANGUARD, VDSPMS = Unknown OEM = (-R)
UME001 = UmeDisc (Hong Kong) = (-R)
WFKA = Wealthfair Investment (China) = (-R)(+R)

this was taken from Afterdawn.com which i believe was taken from somewhere else.

The media is listed from good to bad 1st rate being the best.

Also on the burning thing Nero should work but i believe people use a more simpler program cuz Nero start smart can be kinda confusing finding what your supposed to do. Peeps use DVD Decryptor. Its a program that reads the dvd you put in by going to iso read and it makes an image on the computer you take out the game and put in a blank dvd and go to iso write and write the image onto the disk it just made. Hope this helps.

[WhatsAModchip?]

my v9 w/ hd7 laser plays dvd+r's but not cdrws :(

[thor2002ro]

mine plays dvd-r but no dvd-rw or cd-rw :(

it's a v12 b

[mabcom]

mine plays dvd-r but no dvd-rw or cd-rw :(

it's a v12 b

thats not strange because most new chips don't use the f wire
the f wire is needed for cdrw or dvd-rw

you can added but it is not recommended because a cdrw or dvd-rw is not that good for your laser (in a v12 you will have a very fast burnout)

grtz
MABCOM

[jstadragon]

I'm not sure if this matters but on my ps2 box this is what it says (sorry it's in japanese). I have a SCPH500000 v10

http://home.comcast.net/~ttu00/cd.jpg

For #5 it says:
(5) DVD-R/-RW(Video Mode), DVD-RW(VR Mode), DVD+R/+RW

I don't know what the different modes are for but it seems that my drive can read everything.

My USA ps2 doesn't state anything specific on the box nor the manual.

[Raiikoh]

so some Maxel of Sony DVD+Rs would work for a v14? or should I go with DVD-Rs?

[Raiikoh]

NVM, buying 8x Taiyo Yuden DVD-Rs, burning at 4x

[Z-Saber]

NVM, buying 8x Taiyo Yuden DVD-Rs, burning at 4x'Atta boy.

[Dizzyegg07]

My 1st use of swap magic was of a DVD-R Datawrite Mach4 copy of Naruto shipuuden Narutimate accel.Iso file straight to disc using nero. I have a silver fatboy PS2 UKPal version (guessing its a 5 by this point). Can someone clarify my version?
Model number is SCPH-50003. Im usually a PSP man but decided to make the jump to PS2.

[joe87]

I have some Dynex Dvd-r's. Are they any good at all for ps2 backups?

[mikeyjrd]

so what is better for V15a or V16 system (some sites say V15a & other say V16 !#?) with Mat. Inf V1.88? DVD + / - R or both works fine..?:cool:

i use memorex <-- any "flawless" brand anyone could suggest?:crazy:

my DVD burner burns these memorex DVDs in blue / green color with rings at the bottom.

...somebody said that this might cause the games not to work, but it didn't..so what causes the rings and the color--> burner or DVD?:chinscrat

[tester3000]

Sorry if this has been answered b4 in this thread, but it's too long to read through.

Both my Fugi DVD+R and Fugi DVD-R work with my PS2. Is one better for my laser? Also are different brands better for the laser (ex. Sony, TY, Memorex,...? Thanks. Sorry again if this has been answered.

[wares]

I also use TDKs both the DVD-R and the DVD+RW. They both have worked flawlessly so far. I have burnt 6 games so far including Gamecube originals and homebrew.
wares.

[Cyber Akuma]

Wait, im confused. I have been using DVD+R for a long time now to run backup and homebrew on my PS2. But I accidently ordered a batch of DVD-R and its working too. Is it just random which one will work and which wont? So it dosent matter whihc one I use, or will one work better than the other?

I have a V9/V10 PS2 with a Matrix Infinity, what would be the best type to use for this?

[imtony]

Would this one be a good one for my v4?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817131593
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817507005

[drsmartshit_05]

TDK DVD+R, x16 speed works flawlessly on my v9 PS2 when burned at x2.4 speed. I burned P3FES and a few other games on it without problems unlike certain brands like Philipp's DVD+/-R x16 speed and Imation DVD+/-R x16 speed.

[Solttu]

Maxell DVD-R 1-4x speed and Verbatim DVD+R disks work well with V9 - MCBOOT - Cogswap combination. No problems yet. Samsung Pleomax DVD-RW disks don't work at all.

[core2kid]

I used a Staples DVD+R and a Maxell DVD-R. They both worked in my PS2 with laser calibrations but didn't work on my SCPH-30001 or SCPH-70012 (laser calibrations is SCPH-39001)
Are these disks any good or is my PS2 dying?
Original games work flawlessly.

[RabidWeezle]

Sony DVD-R 16x speed with Accucore FTW on my 770001 slim. Awesome media and worth the price. I burn it on some no name dual layer burner on my compaq dual core laptop at 6-8x with no flaws.

[bensrevenge]

Everybody listen up get

Morrisons value DVD-R there a cheap brand but i havent had a unsuccessful burn yet and i burn at 4X even KH2 FM works

[yoshure]

Does anyone know if the color of disks matter? i.e. does a blue disk have different reflective abilities compared to a silver bottom?

Is one type harder on the laser than the other?

Thanks!

[BradicaL]

I always have better ersults with a dark-back disc rather than a silver-back. I buy verbaitim DVD-R and they are dark as hell.

[4_ever_ps2]

Maxell DVD-Rs have always worked ok for me.

[noetikos]

there was a later PS2 version in which sony allowed for dvd+ disc compatibility. some consoles will read maxell dvd media while other consoles won't. the consoles with lasers that reject maxell will only read for example, sony, tdk, or verbatim (for blank dvd media). my v9 console still reads dvd+, dvd-, and cd-rs from cheap to quality brands.

dvd-RW of any type or brand is not good for the laser at all. this type of media must be avoided at all times. cheap dvd media (for example: maxell, GQ, memorex, store brands, generic, or ect..) will most likely have a negative effect on the durability of the laser.

the best dvd media that has been accounted for excellent quality is verbatim, tdk, and sony (plus taiyo yuden if you want to go the extra mile and buy it online). here's a good reading,
http://www.best-dvd-burning-software-reviews.com/best-blank-dvd-media.asp

i usually stick to sony dvd media for my PS2 back ups and cd-r media for my psx back ups.